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    As a dept armorer, I can tell you that these should not be considered modifications. The weapon should have come with this stuff already done. Also, as Iraqgunz said it is a liability issue. As an armorer, it is my responsibility to make sure the weapon is GTG and if it fails on you (always at the worst possible time) it very well might fall back on me.
    I would speak to your dept armorer and ask him if he can perform the necessary fixes. Hopefully he understands and will help you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I find it curious that they have a policy about "modifying" weapons, but apparently nonthing about how, when and why they can be used.
    These changes should be made in my opinion. Depts. have a problem with Officers working on their guns, for obvious reasons.

    I didn't get your drift on how, when and why the guns can be used. There are policies on their use, and training to go with it. Did I miss something?

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    There are policies about how, when, and why. It's all relevent to our use of force continuum. Just nothing about off duty use. I'm gonna go reread our manual to confirm but asking around confirms no off duty use of the M4. Our pistols are ok but not our rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearno View Post
    There are policies about how, when, and why. It's all relevent to our use of force continuum. Just nothing about off duty use. I'm gonna go reread our manual to confirm but asking around confirms no off duty use of the M4. Our pistols are ok but not our rifles.
    So when exactly are you supposed to get any practice?
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    At work.... We have monthly range days, in service training, etc.

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    I was referring to some of the initial posts made by the OP. He goes on to state that nothing is written (as far as he knows) about off duty use/ training. Having written several SOP's I can tell you that all eventualities should be covered to include off duty use.


    Quote Originally Posted by darr3239 View Post
    These changes should be made in my opinion. Depts. have a problem with Officers working on their guns, for obvious reasons.

    I didn't get your drift on how, when and why the guns can be used. There are policies on their use, and training to go with it. Did I miss something?



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    Can somebody answer this for me?

    Are officers not allowed to put privately owned uppers on select fire lowers?
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    P.D.s are controlled by liability issues and thusly control just about everything firearms related in an Officer's life, in addition to many other things.

    Many Dept's. allow only one brand name of carbine, such as Colt, and nothing else is authorized, period. They issue the approved weapon and don't want anyone asking questions, screwing up their well laid plans and procedures. If you want to be under a microscope, become a cop.

    That being said, if a dept. armorer looks over, and has permission to approve a privately owned upper, then it can be done. But it better fit their mind set. The worst Dept's. for near un-bending policies, are the big ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darr3239 View Post
    P.D.s are controlled by liability issues and thusly control just about everything firearms related in an Officer's life, in addition to many other things.

    Many Dept's. allow only one brand name of carbine, such as Colt, and nothing else is authorized, period. They issue the approved weapon and don't want anyone asking questions, screwing up their well laid plans and procedures. If you want to be under a microscope, become a cop.

    That being said, if a dept. armorer looks over, and has permission to approve a privately owned upper, then it can be done. But it better fit their mind set. The worst Dept's. for near un-bending policies, are the big ones.
    Our department is afraid of being sued. We don't have push bumpers because they look too aggressive. So did shields, but that was fixed years ago thankfully. Our policies don't bend as stated above. I confirmed that in our policy and procedure, modifications or alterations are prohibited on department owned firearms except by an armorer. He has to seek permission however. Also, there is no policy on off duty training use of our guns.

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    I can totally understand your reluctance to break policy or piss off the wrong people at work, that being said your weapon working is literally a matter of life and death. Think about it.

    Also you aren't really modifying anything. If your grip came loose would you take it to the armorer or just tighten it yourself?

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