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Thread: FFL's now only logging stripped lowers as "pistols" in Illinois?

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    I live in Florida and recently bought a stripped lower. I was going to buy through my friend who owns a shop in Georgia, but he told me that stripped lowers are now classified as 'other' by the ATF (according to the agent he contacted) and therefore he could not sell it to me since I'm a resident of another state. When I ended up buying one from a shop in Florida I heard the shop owner call it in as a long gun though, so I'm not sure what's going on with them.
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    The person in Georgia was right and the guy in Florida was wrong. It is clearly spelled out on the 4473 under Block 18. It is my understanding the requirement has been there, but dealers were screwing up which is why BATFE brought it up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveL View Post
    I live in Florida and recently bought a stripped lower. I was going to buy through my friend who owns a shop in Georgia, but he told me that stripped lowers are now classified as 'other' by the ATF (according to the agent he contacted) and therefore he could not sell it to me since I'm a resident of another state. When I ended up buying one from a shop in Florida I heard the shop owner call it in as a long gun though, so I'm not sure what's going on with them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    The person in Georgia was right and the guy in Florida was wrong. It is clearly spelled out on the 4473 under Block 18. It is my understanding the requirement has been there, but dealers were screwing up which is why BATFE brought it up again.
    Thanks for clearing that up IG. I've been wondering which way it was supposed to be.

    ETA: I pulled up a PDF of 4473 and you're absolutely right (not that that was ever in question), but it's plain as day on the form.
    Last edited by SteveL; 03-23-11 at 09:33.
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    I heard the same thing from a local gun shop, but he said he heard it from an ATF agent when he called to ask them a few questions, but then called again to talk to another who told him they didn't need to be.

    Thanks for clearing things up IG.
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    Stripped recievers hae always been classified as other since 1968.

    Dealers who mark them down as rifle or handgun were not complying with the law and the ATF had to bring it up in the past few years.

    No change in the law happened.

    A non NFA firearm can be:

    1. Rifle
    2. Shotgun
    3. Handgun
    4. Other

    What falls in the other category? Here are some examples:

    1. Stripped receivers to any firearm. A 1911 frame is not a pistol, it is an other.
    2. Semi auto belt feed 1919s with no stock.
    3. Shotguns with barrels over 18" and no stock.
    4. Thompson Center Encores with muzzleloading barrels. These are not rifles because they don't fire fixed ammuntion and the receiver can accept a rifle or shotgun barrel therefore it is an other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    No change in the law happened.

    A non NFA firearm can be:

    1. Rifle
    2. Shotgun
    3. Handgun
    4. Other
    This is correct.

    Now the question is what your state considers "other" to be for their waiting period. This may have changed, or your dealer realized he used to do it wrong.

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