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    I finally installed and tested mine today. (It had been sitting on the shelf for about 6 months.)

    Installation is like any other muzzle device that needs to be timed. I installed mine with the PWS logo at exactly 12 o'clock, the intended orientation.

    Test equipment: Spike's 16" midlength LE upper, 5.56 NATO, on AP lower with Armalite 2-stage trigger, VLTOR original modstock, H buffer and Armalite (?) standard carbine spring.

    Conditions: clear sunny day, 1 hour before dusk in shadow from tall trees, 63 F.

    Ammo: Federal .223 55gr FMJ (Walmart bulk) and Prvi Partizan M193

    Felt recoil and muzzle rise: approximately the same felt recoil as on a 16" midlength with an A2. Muzzle rise did seem somewhat less, but the difference didn't seem that large. There did seem to be the straight back / limited straight up push without sideways movement that another person commented.

    Noise: this actually seemed slightly louder than with an A2, although nowhere near the noise level with any brake. There was absolutely no ping or ringing as heard with many other prong-style flash hiders (Steyr FAL hiders are like tuning forks).

    Flash: in late day and shade I did not see any muzzle flash, period. This may not seem remarkable, but using the same ammo I could see muzzle flash when I was firing a 20" rifle with an A2 just minutes earlier and later.

    General impression: I need to try this in darkness to see how effective it is on flash. If I confirm that it's better on flash than an A2, then it would seem a somewhat better overall device based on a minor reduction in muzzle rise and better flash suppression. I have not tested it for dust when prone but I expect it will be worse than an A2 since it has a bottom slot. I'm not sure if those benefits are enough to merit the $57 or so cost when compared to the A2 you already have.

    Other comments: as I mentioned I was firing a 20" rifle with an A2 at the same time. The 20" rifle had noticeably less recoil and muzzle rise than the 16" with this Triad. Just a reminder of the benefits of longer gas systems.

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    Since my last post I've used the Triad-equipped upper four more times (one match and three practice sessions). I have mostly the same impressions, but I'll repeat and clarify:

    Effect: the Triad has a major effect on muzzle rise and zero effect on recoil. The reduction of muzzle rise isn't all that noticeable if you don't have something to compare it with, but comparing back to back two 16" midlength uppers at the same time, one with the Triad and one with an A2, the difference was quite noticeable. Comparing those two back to back with an FSC-556, it was obvious that the FSC provided a major reduction in recoil, slightly better control of muzzle rise, and a whole lot of blast. I've also watched several videos of myself shooting with the Triad and it looks like absolutely zero muzzle rise - it looks better on video than it felt when firing.

    Noise and blast: essentially identical to an A2. No ping from the tines. No blast like the FSC.

    Flash: I still haven't used it in hard darkness, but in heavy shade under an extended shooting awning, which is also in tree shade and less than an hour before dusk on a cloudy day, a friend saw no visible flash while standing 8' to the side, and I haven't seen any flash with it under any shooting conditions. Also, no flash shows on video, but that was taken in fairly bright daylight. Testing this in hard darkness is on the to-do list.

    I'm still unsure of the value proposition for this device, but it seems to do exactly what PWS claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    Effect: the Triad has a major effect on muzzle rise and zero effect on recoil. The reduction of muzzle rise isn't all that noticeable if you don't have something to compare it with, but comparing back to back two 16" midlength uppers at the same time, one with the Triad and one with an A2, the difference was quite noticeable. Comparing those two back to back with an FSC-556, it was obvious that the FSC provided a major reduction in recoil, slightly better control of muzzle rise, and a whole lot of blast. I've also watched several videos of myself shooting with the Triad and it looks like absolutely zero muzzle rise - it looks better on video than it felt when firing.

    Noise and blast: essentially identical to an A2. No ping from the tines. No blast like the FSC.

    Flash: I still haven't used it in hard darkness, but in heavy shade under an extended shooting awning, which is also in tree shade and less than an hour before dusk on a cloudy day, a friend saw no visible flash while standing 8' to the side, and I haven't seen any flash with it under any shooting conditions. Also, no flash shows on video, but that was taken in fairly bright daylight. Testing this in hard darkness is on the to-do list.

    I'm still unsure of the value proposition for this device, but it seems to do exactly what PWS claims.
    To me those sound like significant value propositions.

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    PWS has been putting out some very interesting conceptual products. I bought one of their rifles after hearing nothing but good things from a not significant number of people.

    They definitely have some hard to believe claims, but so far, I've been very impressed. Their products do exactly what the company says they will and are not under or over-sold as far as performance or quality.

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    Any more comments on these?

    I saw these at SHOT show and a few of my trusted trigger puller friends told me they were pleasantly surprised by this muzzle device.

    I'm going to pit one head to head against a FSC-556 and Battle Comp. I normally do not use brakes/comps of any kind as I much prefer suppressors or at flash hiders to muzzle devices that give me tooth aches after a few hours on the line, haha

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    I continue to use the one I installed in October, and just this past week installed another one on a different upper (both of them are 16" midlengths). I've shot it with the exact same results and impressions as the first one. The Triad controls muzzle rise quite well with no increase in blast. It has no effect on recoil, and you may even perceive slightly more recoil because it's coming straight back instead of getting redirected a bit into muzzle rise. I still haven't shot it in total darkness, but in dim light no flash is visible even with ammo that tends to be flashy (UMC, Federal cheap stuff).

    I've shot it back to back with the FSC-556. The FSC has a bit more muzzle control, far less recoil, and pretty strong blast.

    I have not noticed any "ping" of the tines with the Triad. I have a Steyr FH on an STG-58 so I'm very familiar with what ping can be.

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    I had a pws mk114 built for me by the factory with the triad substituted for one of their flash hider/muzzle breaks. Is it as controllable as my Spike's with battle comp? No. Is it more controllable than a rifle with an a2? Yes! Will do some testing in the next couple days in low light (i work at an indoor range, so pitch black should not be hard). My overall impression? Love the company, love the rifle, love the flash hider! Will be buying more stuff from these guys in the very near future!

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    Looks like a future three prong USGI.

    Very interested in hearing more about it.

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    I have the PWS Triad 30 on my 6.8 SPC. I'll confirm evrything that was said. Although mine isn't a direct comparison because its 6.8, I am happy with the Triad. And it looks cool. Duh.

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