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Thread: Carbine vs. Middy: Real world use

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    Midlength is the future. Assimilate or die Seriously, though, midlengths have a softer recoil impulse, so if you're going to put a 12" rail on it anyway, why not put a midlength gas system under it?
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    Didn't someone here have a theory that the "violent" cycle of an M4 could possible keep a very gunked up gun running longer than a mid or rifle gas system? I found it interesting but never read anymore about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacop View Post
    I don't think it really matters that much. Flip a coin. Buy the one that looks coolest. Whatever.

    This year we are going to take a run at the new chief to allow us to use personal rifles at work. After doing a lot of research and reading I figure the differences are minimal. Carbine might be overgassed but then that might help make it more reliable. Midlength might make it shoot smoother but less reliable under certain circumstances.

    If the cheif gives us the nod my #1 choice would be a Dissipator from a good company, even if it meant making one myself. I really don't care if it starts out as a BCM middy or a Colt 6920.

    Go with the features you like.
    Interesting. I was under the assumption that being overgassed would not be a good thing and would result in reliability issues.
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    Kinda like the faster you drive a truck into a zombie horde, the further you'll make it?

    There's a difference between "reliable" and "durable"

    Reliable means it will function until it wears, breaks or gets out of adjustment
    Durable means it functions longer before it wears or breaks, even if it isn't reliable
    Last edited by MistWolf; 03-26-11 at 22:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Kinda like the faster you drive a truck into a zombie horde, the further you'll make it?
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunderway View Post
    Didn't someone here have a theory that the "violent" cycle of an M4 could possible keep a very gunked up gun running longer than a mid or rifle gas system? I found it interesting but never read anymore about it.
    It was probably me. It didn't go over very well. I still think it potentially has merit though.

    this article is part of what made me posit that theory last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Compared to the carbine length system, the mid-length means reliable functioning at lower operating pressures which equals less stress on parts. In any mechanical device that means greater durability assuming equal quality parts. The mid-length system adds no complexity to the mechanicals or the assembly process of the carbine and only a little to cost. While carbine gas systems run fine, mid-length gas systems are a bit more forgiving
    it's simply the correct length gas system for a 14-16 inch barrel.. why use anything else if you have a choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunderway View Post
    What?
    Humor. I forgot the

    ETA-I was thinking the crud is like a zombie horde- the faster you drive a truck into the horde, the further you'll go, but in the zombies are still going to get you
    Last edited by MistWolf; 03-26-11 at 23:16.
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    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    It was probably me. It didn't go over very well. I still think it potentially has merit though.

    this article is part of what made me posit that theory last time.
    I was thinking BKB Rob, but it could have been you that brought it up. To a layman like me it does make sense. I have tested this in a different arena with my 1911. The gun will basically stop working at a certain round count with regular ammo, but +P will enable me to squeeze some extra mileage out of it.

    Interested in reading that link now. I think it has merit too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Rose View Post
    Here's 2: Daniel Defense Omega X 12" FSP and DD M4A1 RIS2. Great rails offering lots of area, strong fixed FSP, and can mount a light at 12 o'clock.
    Maybe so, but only if you're married to an FSB and one of those rail types. Either one of those is available in a non - fsb model. I would choose a low pro pinned GB and a standard 10" or 11" rail instead. Either way, the first priority for my rifles is barrel choice and then I build around it. The rail selection is secondary, not the other way around. As a result, I still can't see any advantage that carbine has over midlength.

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