I would go with a Spike Tactical LE Mid Length. You won't be sorry. Mine has been rock solid reliable for thousands of rounds. You will even have a few bucks left over for ammo or to squirrel away for optics.
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I would go with a Spike Tactical LE Mid Length. You won't be sorry. Mine has been rock solid reliable for thousands of rounds. You will even have a few bucks left over for ammo or to squirrel away for optics.
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Last edited by Nightvisionary; 03-27-11 at 09:47.
I would add the "extras" budget that the OP mentioned, to the $1000 carbine budget and get a Colt 6920. Then I'd shoot it awhile and get familiar with the platform before deciding on what extras are desired.
Can you quantify this statement. Thousands...of rounds? What time frame, what type of use and stress has been placed upon the weapon. I would think 2k used during a 3 day training course would trump 4K just bench shooting hitting paper. Please explain why you state reliable for thousands of rounds. Would like to know so the OP can make an informed decision based on objective data, not your personal opinion.
Last edited by jklaughrey; 03-27-11 at 10:06.
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Save your money and buy a reputable make. BCM, Noveske, DD. There is absolutely NO reason not too.
Thanks for the advice.
For those telling me to spend my time researching my purchase, this was were I was starting. Looking for recommendations on which brands to examine closer and which to avoid.
I had wished to avoid the front post sight after shooting a friend of a friend's SOG armory M4 with an ACOG and had found the front sight slightly distracting.
And as for the Diopter sights, I was interested after shooting a friends H&K91 and had liked the H&K's sights.
The additional money that I had mentioned was for the purchase of extra magazines, sling and a M68 CCO that a friend was willing to sell me cheap since he some how managed to keep it after his discharge from the Army and he does not own a rifle.
At this point I believe that I'll look at your suggestions from bravo company, Spike and Danials Defence. I will probably also take a drive out to the local Cabelas and to Cheaper than Dirt's store here in Fort Worth. And Talk to a coworker who also works as a gunsmith.
Or maybe I'll just save some more and buy the Springfield M1A that I have wanted instead.
He might have been told by someone to keep it, but it's still Government property and therefor STOLEN. It's considered SI, Sensitive Item, the same as a weapon, night vision, or laser. It has a serial number, so no matter what your friend says it's still a no-go.
ETA: There is very little clutter from a front sight post on an ACOG with the magnification. Hell, even with a 203 leaf sight up my sight picture was uncluttered. I like HK diopter sights too but they're FIXED, so I don't get why you say you don't want fixed sights then ask where you can find fixed sights cheaper...
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How about this. Take the advice given to you and buy a basic carbine like a Colt 6920, DD or BCM. The other thing you need to do is figure out why you want it.
Once you have some more exposure with it, then you can look at what other options you want.
Remember before the world of optics, lights and other gizmos there was just the standard carbine/ rifle.
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What carbine courses go through 2k rounds in 3 days. That sounds less like training and more like a spray and pray plink fest. Even Tiger swans 5 day LE/MIL course only requires 1750 rounds.
To answer your question around 3.5K through my Spikes mid legnth since November. Shooting has been through several practical rifle competitions, 300 and 600 yard competitions, 1 2 day training course, and about 500 rounds in one day through the upper while mounted on buddy's registered select fire lower.
I have fired my own reloads, Wolf, XM193, Remington, HSM, and Winchester white box through USGI 20 and 30 round mags and Magpul mags without a hitch. It use Mobil synthetic for lube and the Spikes gun runs like clockwork no matter what I feed it.
Last edited by Nightvisionary; 03-27-11 at 18:42.
How do you like the HSM? I have ran a few boxes. Seems to be pretty good IMO. As far as 2k for 3 days there are classes that you go through that many rounds. When my dept. SRT does qtr. quals we go through that much give or take a few 100 in a 2-3 day period just for primary. About a 1/3 of that for secondary, and even less for shotgun. But every class or training exercise is different and may focus on a different application.
Like an old MGySgt said to me. Run it like you hate it.
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I had a couple hundred rounds of HSM 52 grain TNT left over from a Prairie Dog hunting trip I went on some years back. It worked great through my Savage 12FV with .5 MOA about standard through that rifle with a B&L 300 5x15. I eventually sold the Savage and tried several times to feed the HSM through a Bushmaster and an Armalite AR. It would not feed worth a damn through those rifles due to the open tip but neither one had M-4 feed ramps so the Spikes doesn't mind it at all.
As far as quality the HSM stuff I shot was top notch. Accurate and I don't ever recall any case, hangfire or primer issues.
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