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Thread: Objectivity and the....(sigh) HK 416

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointblank4445 View Post
    I know i've seen pics of LAV running one as well as a pic of Costa shooting with a 416 from a vehicle in Oct of 2010.
    FYI I took that pic of costa and that was a students gun, not Chris'
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    Here's a question for the guys that do this for a living.

    Current civilian shooting trends are leaning more towards lighter, less recoiling, less bulky guns.

    Would you trade all of the above for a gun that is harder to shoot, heavier, and bulkier for a perceived operational and durability benefit?

    I personally find the 416 difficult to shoot in semi, its an absolute recoil mule for a .223. In auto its actually quite pleasant although my sample size is quite small for rounds down range on a full auto 416.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockWRX View Post

    The current barrel as offered by HK is super heavy and non-chrome lined. That's weak sauce IMO. At least treat it with Melonite or something similar.
    My understanding is the bore is indeed Nitrided.

    Mabey Larry can chime in on this as DD is building alot of the US assemblies for the MR223 IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    AFAIK the IAR isn't fully in the pipeline or in use. Do you know from a reliable source as to why the PMAG issue came about?
    IAR is at the tail end of its initial fielding.

    The Corps has gotten snow-jobbed by the Picatinney studies regarding the current-issue tan-follower magazine, which point to them being equal-to/better-than Pmags; Picatinnney's findings have been completely accepted. The NIH (Not Invented Here) factor is in full effect (putting aside the fact that the left-side follower hump is all that's saving them from having outright copied the Magpul follower, so they didn't come up with the concept to begin with...). One of the wonky, tired excuses used is in reference to how the polymer supposedly wouldn't stand up to a CBRN environment.

    ...putting aside for the moment as to whether or not that is in any way correct (I simply don't know), WHY are those blasted 200rnd drums for SAWs still okay, not to mention ALL of the other polymer-based crap (Pelican cases everywhere to "protect" sensitive/fragile items, for starters) floating around...?

    All one can do is sigh heavily and
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    Jimbo,

    Are you serious? Please tell me no. CBRN, really? Couldn't they have come up with something more plausible? Like lack of availability during a zombie outbreak or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    IAR is at the tail end of its initial fielding.

    The Corps has gotten snow-jobbed by the Picatinney studies regarding the current-issue tan-follower magazine, which point to them being equal-to/better-than Pmags; Picatinnney's findings have been completely accepted. The NIH (Not Invented Here) factor is in full effect (putting aside the fact that the left-side follower hump is all that's saving them from having outright copied the Magpul follower, so they didn't come up with the concept to begin with...). One of the wonky, tired excuses used is in reference to how the polymer supposedly wouldn't stand up to a CBRN environment.

    ...putting aside for the moment as to whether or not that is in any way correct (I simply don't know), WHY are those blasted 200rnd drums for SAWs still okay, not to mention ALL of the other polymer-based crap (Pelican cases everywhere to "protect" sensitive/fragile items, for starters) floating around...?

    All one can do is sigh heavily and



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    If the HK416 was anywhere near as problem plagued as some people claim, it would never have been adopted or kept in continued use by the most elite military unit in the US, for whom it was originally developed. Nor would it have seen the sucesss that it has with adoption by other elite units.
    No doubt. The 416 has gone on to make a name for itself and become a very successful firearm for HK.

    I doubt its adoption is the result of people/units wanting to be unique and beautiful snowflakes.

    HK panache only goes so far, so that can't be the only reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pointblank4445 View Post
    Broken bolts as in separation/breakage at the cam pin hole or sheared lugs? I posed this unanswered question on the thread linked above: what factor (if any) does a suppressor play on AR15/416 bolt breakages?
    PB- sorry, sheared lugs.

    A suppressor generally speeds up the action, increasing stress on the whole system. This (in my experience) leads to more problems on the 416 than on our DI guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Jimbo,

    Are you serious? Please tell me no. CBRN, really? Couldn't they have come up with something more plausible? Like lack of availability during a zombie outbreak or something?
    I (we) were at a D&P we had to put on at MCU. From the mouth of a senior SNCO from IW, speaking to attendees of the winter Commanders Course. Smack-dab in the middle of the entryway of the Gray Center (which shoots any BS Brig Lawyer protestations one could bring up as to FOUO or sidebar conversation right in the ass).

    Technically plausible? Yes, it certainly is.

    Real-world plausible? F**k NO!

    There was tons of other Picatinney-spawned nepotistic/careerist/sketchy/outright falsehood stuff, too; the collective weight of it pegged my "WTF?!" Meter and made this happen:



    My grape is still growing back....

    I don't blame the IW guys. They've simply made the mistake of trusting the Pic results instead of engaging in the traditional Corps xenophobia of anything we get from the Army in general, and Picatinney in particular.
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    JSantoro Good stuff the scanners Picture has me rolling

    I have only got to Hold a HK 416 so i can't really give any input ,but to me it was heavy .I wish i could of shot it. I saw the Upper on Gun broker Going for around 3500 and about Sharted Myself .I will stick with My Colt
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    objectively...

    at a vicker's class last year I got to shoot his 2nd in command's 416 SBR for a few hours (until we figured out how to pull the fore-end of an xm193 shell out of my MSARs' chamber).

    for a short session, i was impressed. I picked right up on the drills and did dandy while i got to run it.

    I'm just a civilian, but i wanted my own agile piston AR (I have a dpms .308, no hating! great range queen and very accurate) so i'm familiar with cleaning a DI gun and it's not that bad unsuppressed) But, I want suppressed and ammo variety, not full auto nor sbr) so an adjustable gas block was on my list. the lwrc m6a3 was, thusly, on my short list. and the HK. but the lighter weight LWRC SPR looked nice, but no adjustable valve.

    I fondled an HK 556 today, and man, it was front heavy. I would be adding at least a weapon light, and light weight foregrip, and the though of more weight out there....

    same store had another rifle (not lwrc) in stock that I happened to have my eye on, and after hefting the HK and this one back and forth, I chose differently. the lwrc was on the list on paper, i had other reasons to not want to pick it, which won't be posted here.

    So, I'm not an HK hater (I love my P30s, and i'm wearing my P7 now stealthily), and i can afford it - but as a civilian, the 1200+ in savings by not getting the HK556 will go towards the can and its tax stamp for the rifle i did choose, which happens to be lighter, and be top notch based on my first impressions.

    It may be right for you, and I enjoyied shooting its LE/mil cousin, and wouldn't be 'embarrassed' to justify a full HK load out on my hip and shoulder to the HK haters but objectively, it wasn't the one for me.
    Last edited by hak; 03-28-11 at 17:16. Reason: cleared up what the tax stamp was for :)

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