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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshNC View Post
    Templar, Steyr, or anyone else.....have you guys ever heard of any transferable 12S?
    Never seen one. I don't think any originals came in prior to 1968, if they did they would be rare and expensive.

    There were never any semi auto Title I imports to do a pre86 conversion.

    The only way one could exist is as a registered tube build and I've never seen one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    Just to clear this up.

    .45 ACP will NOT be accepted.

    However.

    I am opening up my options for UZI, and Sterling*(2) clones as well as a Skorpion.*

    So is Vector Arms the solution for a semi auto UZI? (I kind of want an open bolt full auto though.) It will see a folding stock, and a suppressor. (Which is what I would do on ANY submachine gun.)

    I'd like to figure my options out now, before I'm completely in the market, so that I have the time to do the research and be ready for it by the time I have the cash.

    Also, MAC carbines, and rails, etc. defeat the MACs purpose. A short quick bullet hose. And I actually really like the sights. :|

    Those carbines look retarded.

    *I really want a damn MAC clone though.

    *(2) A suppressed Sterling would be a car gun candidate.

    There is no way to get a Beretta Model 12S is there?

    I'm moving this to the NFA section, since you're now opening it up to real select fire subguns as well as SBR's.

    There's no way to get a Beretta PM-12S, well, no way that's easy or affordable.

    Vector select fire transferrable UZI's and Mini UZI's have a better rep than their semi auto closed bolt UZI's. It's really hard to retro engineer an open bolt full auto to a closed bolt weapon. You can pick up a real deal IMI Model A or Model B semi auto UZI for not a whole lot of money.

    I'd definitely wave off of the Century semi auto Sterling's. I have a John Andrewski built Sterling Mk.4 on a DLO tube, and it's the cat's ass. You can still find them for around $7K.

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    Powder Springs MAC-10's and Cobray M-11's are still out there, new in the box, and some of the most affordable sub guns out there. If you go that route, while I like the original Powder Springs MAC-10's in 9mm, the Cobray M11 is more versatile as far as accessories.
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    Not very knowledgeable about the Beretta, but there is a local guy that shoots our subgun match with a transferable Beretta M12.

    I do not know the difference, if any, between a M12 and M12s. Next time I see him I will ask. He also gave me a number of how many transferable M12's are in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az doug View Post
    Not very knowledgeable about the Beretta, but there is a local guy that shoots our subgun match with a transferable Beretta M12.

    I do not know the difference, if any, between a M12 and M12s. Next time I see him I will ask. He also gave me a number of how many transferable M12's are in the country.
    I'd love to hear the story on that one, because for it to be a transferrable factory SMG it would have had to have been imported before the GCA of 1968.

    It could be a dealer sample, or if it truly is transferrable, a kit that got built on a registered tube like a Sten, Sterling, or Swedish K.
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    Templar- What do you think of SWD M-11/.380's? MAC/RPB M-11/.380's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by az doug View Post
    Not very knowledgeable about the Beretta, but there is a local guy that shoots our subgun match with a transferable Beretta M12.

    I do not know the difference, if any, between a M12 and M12s. Next time I see him I will ask. He also gave me a number of how many transferable M12's are in the country.

    Very interesting. I spoke to Doug Oefinger (of DLO) awhile back and he was a fairly big fan of the Beretta M12. If any domestically (ie post-68, but pre-86) made transferables exist, my money is on DLO having made them. Pure speculation on my part.

    On another note, anyone notice the transferable Franchi LF57 pre-68 C&R SMG on Sturm? Very tempted by that, but not looking to drop $15k on an obscure SMG at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6933 View Post
    Templar- What do you think of SWD M-11/.380's? MAC/RPB M-11/.380's?

    It would be one my short list of weapons to use in assaulting someone stuck in a telephone booth (do they even have those anymore?).

    They're fun, they're expensive to run, they have an absurdly high rate of fire, and they aren't "practical".

    But if you want a range toy that's a hell of an attention getter, it's up there on the list.
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    What does ''registered tube'' mean? It sounds like a sheet metal tube with some SMG parts built in.

    Can an integrally suppressed L34A1 clone be built?

    (Yes, I'd consider it being a car gun.)

    However the Cobray seems more plausible. And compact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    What does ''registered tube'' mean? It sounds like a sheet metal tube with some SMG parts built in.

    Can an integrally suppressed L34A1 clone be built?

    (Yes, I'd consider it being a car gun.)

    However the Cobray seems more plausible. And compact.
    Open bolt subguns that use a tubular receiver, like the MP40, Sten, Sterling, Swedish K, were built up as civilian transferrables using a parts kit and a steel tube that had been registered as a machine gun receiver prior to May of 1986.

    My Sterling Mk.4 was built using an excellent/unissued parts kit on a DLO purpose built Sterling receiver (not a Sten receiver) by John Andrewski and purchased from Recon Ordnance.

    He's also built up some Mk.5 (L34A1) guns, which run about double what the non suppressed Mk.4's run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    I'd love to hear the story on that one, because for it to be a transferrable factory SMG it would have had to have been imported before the GCA of 1968.

    It could be a dealer sample, or if it truly is transferable, a kit that got built on a registered tube like a Sten, Sterling, or Swedish K.
    I just got off of the phone with the owner's friend and he told me it is original and transferable. We all shoot a local subgun match together and I have seen the weapon. It is one of 2 or 3 transferables in the country, the owner's friend could not remember if it was 2 or 3. I remember the owner telling me the number at the match, but do not remember how many others are in the country other than it was a very low number. The owner has paperwork as far as the history of it.

    I will talk to the owner later and see if I can find out more and get a copy of the letter.

    It is an original and not a tube gun. I also asked about it being a rewatt and he said no it is original.

    I do not know why you have such a hard time believing one was imported prior to the 68 GCA banning the importation of transferable SMG's since the M12 was invented in 1959. Like I wrote before, I am not that familiar with the M12-M12s.

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