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Thread: HD&SHTF: Iron vs. Scope

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    Speed, and low light is where RDS do their best work. I've taken classes in low light where some students ran carbine X without an RDS/Optic, and they were way slower than those with them.

    It's just way easier to put a dot on target, than using irons. Doubly so while stressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    Also they're designed to be used with both eyes open, so you have greater situational awareness.
    I always shoot with both eyes open

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    Your question in part pertained to a shtf situation. To me this would include giving yourself the ability to make a wide range of shots accurately, from CQB out to a few hundred yard/meters.

    For me, the perfect situation is an ACOG TAO1NSN on top for those longer shots and a Trijicon RMR red dot way up front on the DD rail on a Matt Burkett 45 degree offset mount.

    I've tried the RMR red dot on top of the ACOG but I just didn't like it. For me it was too cumbersome plus having to break your cheekweld and raise your head when using the red dot on top which sits high was a big negative. With the 45 degree offset you never break your cheek weld, just cant the rifle slightly. Enough practice and you'll get good and fast with any set-up!
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    In a true SHTF/End As We Know It type situation, there are too many variables and What-Ifs to be able to cover with just one weapon. There is no do-all weapon in these kinds of situations. You see, that is what I am, im a prepper first, and a shooter second. I believe that a good dot-type optic will help exponentially, but is not a do-all choice, nothing by itself will be.
    You see, with most every scenario that "could" happen, you have 2 basic choices to make: 1. Do I bug-out? 2. Do I bug-in? You have to weigh these options heavily, and choose gear based on your particular enviornment, transportation, number of people you are charged to care for, medical problems, amount of supplies you have, your proximity to the "disaster", and how much danger you put yourself/your loved ones into with bugging-in/bugging-out.
    I feel that the best possible OPTION FOR "ME", is a SBR, with quality back-up sights, running a red-dot. Its light, small enough to conceal in a duffle or even under heavy clothes, and still plenty big enough to fight with at the farthest distances I may encounter here in SE. Kentucky. I use the same criteria with my handguns for SHTF, I use Glock 19's.
    None of us can tell you what you should use, we dont know your particular needs and concerns, but whatever it is, train with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    Instead on lining up your front sight with the rear sights on the target you're only putting a dot on the target.
    This always comes up and is the flawed Pat Rogers notion. Anyone lining up irons at home defense/contact distance under a stress threat is nuts.

    You're going to snap that front sight COM and break the shot... I bet most would do this even if they hadn't practiced it.... if you have to get that shot off NOW, you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRH View Post
    I always shoot with both eyes open
    Same here.... even at most extended distances.
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    I have a standard A-Frame front and a flip up BUIS rear on my SBR. In between is an EoTech. With the EoTech OFF, I can center the front post in the optic window, and shoot <4" groups at speed in in-home distances.

    If I have the time to flip on the optic, I can tighten that up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRH View Post
    For sake of completeness M68s are Aimpoint CompM2s but Aimpoint has developed some much better products since they came out.
    Actually M4's are also considered M68s as well as M2s, for some reason they kept the nomenclature the same.

    I know no one practically uses both front and rear irons in HD situations but he's also asking about SHTF where you probably would. Which is also where I don't use both eyes with irons, at distance. Some people can, but with a CCO it's much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltesherz View Post
    ...Also they're designed to be used with both eyes open, so you have greater situational awareness...
    Not discounting the advantages of the RDS or other optic, but both eyes are open using iron sights as well
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    A RDS is faster for me, and for most. I'll take any possible advantage I can.

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