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    If I recall correctly the Saber facility and tooling has already been bought.


    I think the executives responsible for this are going down but Saber should come through it in one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRH View Post
    So... Essentially it was mostly just skirting import export tax. Idiotic risk to take when they could just recoup the costs somewhere else.

    Can't help but think the management is going to get a slap on the wrist.

    The comments are just as retarded.
    I think this is more serious than tax evasion. I don't all the details, but I recall some discussion about Sabre violating several Federal
    Laws, including ITAR. Basically making them an illegal international arms trafficker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaBoy View Post
    If I recall correctly the Saber facility and tooling has already been bought.


    I think the executives responsible for this are going down but Saber should come through it in one way or another.
    I guarentee a name change after this.
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    In 2004, Shearon wrote Savage an email stating, "The 100 barrels without chambers will be ready Mon. or Tues. if we can find someone dumb enough to sign the shipping documents we will send them to you."
    Be careful what you type...

    This stuff sounds like something you'd read in a bad mystery novel.
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    By 2007, Sabre officials were going as far as calling silencers "lawn mower mufflers" and rifle barrels "gear shafts" in their effort to fly under the radar of regulators.
    This sounds horrible when you read it, but read it a second time and think about what is actually being said.

    Who were the "officials", they list the names in the rest of the article, why no names here.

    What was the context? Take note that it does not say they made these comments to anyone in particular. Who has the job title of "regulator"? Again, where are the specifics?

    What I read from that line is that if any of the readers here and myself are going to go shooting, and I talk about bringing my blaster, that someone will say I was talking about a sand blaster in an effort to avoid raising flags.

    Work with the feds a little and watch how "tenacious" they can be with some things. Mislabeling parts and trying to skirt ITAR is just plain stupid, but the weapons ended up with countries that are our allies. Labeling SABRE as supplying weapons to the Middle East has the taint of supplying terrorists, and that doesn't sound even close to what happened here. I see white collar crime with them avoiding taxes and paperwork.
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    Unfortunately we don't know who exactly got those weapons in those countries so we can't really say our allies got them.

    Case in point. When I was in Iraq the company I worked for had weapons stolen from the customs holding area. It wasn't discovered until we went to pick them up.

    Their response was the crates must have been empty when they arrived. Insha' Allah. Corruption is pervasive throughout the entire Middle East.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    This sounds horrible when you read it, but read it a second time and think about what is actually being said.

    Who were the "officials", they list the names in the rest of the article, why no names here.

    What was the context? Take note that it does not say they made these comments to anyone in particular. Who has the job title of "regulator"? Again, where are the specifics?

    What I read from that line is that if any of the readers here and myself are going to go shooting, and I talk about bringing my blaster, that someone will say I was talking about a sand blaster in an effort to avoid raising flags.

    Work with the feds a little and watch how "tenacious" they can be with some things. Mislabeling parts and trying to skirt ITAR is just plain stupid, but the weapons ended up with countries that are our allies. Labeling SABRE as supplying weapons to the Middle East has the taint of supplying terrorists, and that doesn't sound even close to what happened here. I see white collar crime with them avoiding taxes and paperwork.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Unfortunately we don't know who exactly got those weapons in that those countries so we can't really say our allies got them.

    If there was the remote possibility that anything could be tied to a group that was anti-US, that would have been clearly listed, and would probably have been the title of the article.

    Anyone who has done LE work with the Feds knows exactly what I mean. They play hardball and are masters at how things are scripted when they are written out.


    I'm obviously not an advocate for Sabre, just pointing out some additional things. Duplicate serial numbers would have been enough to fry them, but I would be interested to know what parts actually violated ITAR. Barrels without chambers are just pipes....
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    I also know that the feds are masters of not admitting that they made mistakes so as to not end up with egg on their faces.

    The most current BATFE fiascos are a case in point.

    Regardless, they willingly and knowingly circumvented ITAR and they got caught.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    If there was the remote possibility that anything could be tied to a group that was anti-US, that would have been clearly listed, and would probably have been the title of the article.

    Anyone who has done LE work with the Feds knows exactly what I mean. They play hardball and are masters at how things are scripted when they are written out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    If there was the remote possibility that anything could be tied to a group that was anti-US, that would have been clearly listed, and would probably have been the title of the article.

    Anyone who has done LE work with the Feds knows exactly what I mean. They play hardball and are masters at how things are scripted when they are written out.


    I'm obviously not an advocate for Sabre, just pointing out some additional things. Duplicate serial numbers would have been enough to fry them, but I would be interested to know what parts actually violated ITAR. Barrels without chambers are just pipes....
    with few exceptions, any part of a firearm is subject to itar regulation and an export license that may or may not be granted.

    savage didn't want to play by the rules, likely as not as part of their plea deal they will be testifying against him.

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    Unhappy

    One things for certain, sabre defense in finished.

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