Condition Three carry = fail

[WillBrink]

So many folks carrying without any training.

Fixed it for 'ya

[Littlelebowski]

Fixed it for 'ya

Fair enough. The way I was told, the Israelis got rudimentary lectures and were turned loose.

You'll not find me worshiping at the alter of Israeli martial prowess.

[Irish]

I hope his family and friends learn from his mistake and seek out proper training.

[SteyrAUG]

Man that video was rough.

This is why I'm no fan of deep concealment. A lot of times you get little or no warning, if you are lucky you won't simply be shot without warning and then robbed for your stuff.

Having to fish out your carry piece from a difficult to access hiding place, or having to rack a slide or any other similar process to make your gun ready is all time given to the bad guy to shoot you and those you care about.

This is a big part of my decision to go with a OTW carry holster.

[WillBrink]

Fair enough. The way I was told, the Israelis got rudimentary lectures and were turned loose.

You'll not find me worshiping at the alter of Israeli martial prowess.

I wasn't referring to the Israeli per se, just people in general.

[bkb0000]

speed kills. keep your weapon accessible, and keep it loaded. condition 3 is not loaded.

and train, dammit.

yea.. that video is rough. being an American, most faces-of-death vids dont bug me, but i guess since this video could be any one of us, it has a greater effect.

[Zhurdan]

Man that video was rough.

This is why I'm no fan of deep concealment. A lot of times you get little or no warning, if you are lucky you won't simply be shot without warning and then robbed for your stuff.

Having to fish out your carry piece from a difficult to access hiding place, or having to rack a slide or any other similar process to make your gun ready is all time given to the bad guy to shoot you and those you care about.

This is a big part of my decision to go with a OTW carry holster.

I'm sure you'd agree though that training trumps practical in cases like this. As with many different threads as of late, just carrying a gun doesn't mean it'll do you any good if you don't train with it. I'm sure quite a few folks here can draw just as fast from IWB as from OWB. I'll admit I was a bit leery of IWB for the same reasons, but now after a couple years of practice, it just doesn't seem to be that big of a disadvantage on the draw and adds a whole lot more to concealability.

From the video it appears more that they were simply caught with their pants down. Not a knock on them as I'm guessing the time from the bad guys walking in the door to the first shot fired was pretty damn quick.

Did anyone else notice that their main focus seemed to be stripping him of his gun rather than smashing jewelery cases? There appeared to be a lot of stuff going on off camera, but in my experience jewelery stores don't showcase their premier (spendy) stuff near the door.

Was there any follow up in the news to this shooting that listed a motive? (I looked, but my Google-fu sucks)

Oh, and I agree... Condition 3 is stupid.

[Irish]

Was there any follow up in the news to this shooting that listed a motive? (I looked, but my Google-fu sucks)

I was wrong...

[Irish]

This is the real story... http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/...100289158.html

Police sources said the shootout was the result of a feud between two families. Around 15 months ago a shop owner named Ram Kishan Malhotra was shot dead. Police had then registered a case against Kundra and eight others. Shopkeepers said the dispute began over the possession of a commercial establishment in the Rui Ki Mandi area.

Police officials said the arms licences of both groups had been “cancelled long ago”. They suspect the arms used in the shootout Sunday were unlicensed.

I have no idea how this happened since their weapons weren't licensed.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm sure you'd agree though that training trumps practical in cases like this. As with many different threads as of late, just carrying a gun doesn't mean it'll do you any good if you don't train with it.

Of course.

I'm sure quite a few folks here can draw just as fast from IWB as from OWB. I'll admit I was a bit leery of IWB for the same reasons, but now after a couple years of practice, it just doesn't seem to be that big of a disadvantage on the draw and adds a whole lot more to concealability.

I should have been more specific. Typically IWB holsters are are concealed by a shirt that must be pulled up and out of the way in order to draw (usually requiring both hands) and OWB holsters are typically concealed by a vest or jacket which can be cleared with the drawing hand. The latter tends to be faster.

From the video it appears more that they were simply caught with their pants down. Not a knock on them as I'm guessing the time from the bad guys walking in the door to the first shot fired was pretty damn quick.

Yep, they got blindsided. If he would have had one in the chamber he might have come out ok...maybe. I'm not gonna knock him, I'm sure in those moments he understood quite a few horrible things.