NY gunshops and there "RULES"

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

So whats the deal with some gunshops in NY. Why is it some of them feel you need to prove you have a pistol permit to sell you ammo or even better you have to show them your permit to even look at a pistol?

Only reason I bring this up is my buddy just got his permit so I took him to the local Gander Mountain to look at some pistols. We did a bit of window shopping and decide to handle a few so he can get a feel for them. He gets a salsmen and tells the guy what he is looking for ya da ya da ya da.

Guy was very polite then he says I have to see your permit before I can uncase the pistol, then he turns to me and says I need yours too sence your with him. I looked right at him and asked why? He proceds to tell me its the law. I said no its your store policy and its not benifiting you guys. He says to me we are not a toy store, I droped it and we left.

What do you guys think about that am I just to sensitive. They make you show them your permit if you want hand gun ammo to. I dont get it I can go to any one of more than a dozen gun shops in the are and be handed any pistol I ask about or buy ammo no questions asked.

[Cagemonkey]

Better get used to it. Its not going to get any better. If you want to see so real commie shit come visit MA. The only real option is to more to a more gun friendly state. The Northeast is a lost cause except for NH, VT and ME.

[TOrrock]

From a free state, and having sold guns since 1987, I'm 98% sure he's trying to avoid a straw purchase.

Down here, were there isn't a permitting system, it's something you watch out for, but up there where you have to have a permit, it's one extra step they can use to cover their ass.

Now, don't misunderstand, I'm not condoning it, but at the same time it's the permitting process itself which is really to blame.

[sjc3081]

NYS law states you need a pistol license to buy handgun only ammo. most salesman dont realize only 25 and 32 are the only handgun only rounds.

[tgace]

NYS law states you need a pistol license to buy handgun only ammo. most salesman dont realize only 25 and 32 are the only handgun only rounds.

What section?

I believe that NYC has a local ordinance like that, but I have never seen any statewide law stating it.

[TweakFTW]

NYS is awful. I love how at Gander here in Rochester they keep the pistol ammo behind the counter, didn't know you needed a permit to buy it, I've never tried personally. But what if I have a 9mm Carbine?!(which i don't). NYS' strict gun laws are because of NYC, they want to be their own little state down there, let them be; because of them our laws are worse in my opinion, I wish they would just secede.

I would have said the same thing to the guy. Research and handling the weapon before you buy it is pretty damn important, I don't think that they understand that.

[Pathfinder Ops]

From a free state, and having sold guns since 1987, I'm 98% sure he's trying to avoid a straw purchase.

Down here, were there isn't a permitting system, it's something you watch out for, but up there where you have to have a permit, it's one extra step they can use to cover their ass.

Now, don't misunderstand, I'm not condoning it, but at the same time it's the permitting process itself which is really to blame.

This is exactly what's going on.

That and a smattering of ignorance (yeah hard to believe but true).

I know a local gun shop owner who proclaims the crown of sole expert on gun related knowledge in our "entire region" who would not order a Choate folding stock for a .410 shotgun because he said folding stock violate the AWB.

He is wrong, so i just bought it online and wrote him off.

He is also inclined to tell you that large ammo purchases (1K rds or more) or ordering ammo on line will prompt a visit by NYSP and or ATF. And at a minimum will get you on a "list." OOOO SCARY!!!!!

Ignorance about NY's ACTUAL gun related laws is fairly common on every level from the ordinary LEO through the gun shop owners. It's no wonder people in NY get nervous when they want to explore the sport.

Oh and here is another quick WTF thing. For Christmas my wife decided that it would be kinda cute to buy a brick of .22 and put it my stocking (yeah she's cool). So she goes to Walmart (yeah I know) and the JO behind the counter tells her he needs her HG permit to sell it to her.

She says "I don't have one." And that she is buying it for her husband for Christmas. He says oh ok and sells it to her.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Yes very stupid I dont think its the straw thing but maybe. My best friend worked the gun counter at Dicks sporting goods (the chain store) in an area out side the city limits her in Rochester. The policy of the store was to put all the shotguns in the backroom on friday night for the weekend to black people would not buy them. Can you belive that? Like the guys who buy guns legaly are going to use it in a crime.

[TOrrock]

Like the guys who buy guns legaly are going to use it in a crime.

Actually, yeah, they do. I worked at a time when we had a major drug war down here between two rival gangs, and saw it.

Unfortunately, bad people buy guns out of stores just like good people do.