NY gunshops and there "RULES"

[Mac5.56]

I deal with this kind of stuff all the time in the Mid-Hudson. At the Gander in Kingston they wont sell any pistol ammunition unless you say: "it's for a rifle". I went shooting with a guy that was buying ammo for a .44 mag lever action, he walked into the store and said that to the guy behind the counter, and I just started laughing (first time I had seen anything like that in my life). I couldn't help myself, next thing that comes out of my mouth is: "well if I ever want pistol ammunition now I know what to say, what a joke..."

(I'm not from this state, and these little quirks are so friggen redonkulous that this WY boy is blown away!)

Ignorance about NY's ACTUAL gun related laws is fairly common on every level from the ordinary LEO through the gun shop owners. It's no wonder people in NY get nervous when they want to explore the sport.

This however is the truly scary thing about NY state. I know we have an almost 0 tolerance policy regarding LE topics, so I will tread really lightly here... I have a friend that is a Sheriff's Deputy whose actually told me to be prepared to get drawn upon simply for having an AR15 if I am ever called in for shooting on private property. There are multiple stories around my area, but I wont go there...

Also have a friend who was told by local village PD officer that it is illegal to shoot on State Land and if he gets caught he will loose all his guns FOREVER EVER (like double forever). He's in the service, so he refuses to go to a spot on state land I know about out of fear of loosing his firearms and getting in trouble. In this case, I've done plenty of research and have not found any provision stating that it is illegal to shoot on state land anywhere, and have even had a face to face discussion with the local DEC Ranger that patrols the place in question, and he said the opposite.

I feel like it is a state full of clowns where people have no clue what the laws are, so they walk around making up their own interpretation of what they think they heard at one point and then the game of telephone results in gun store clerks not letting you look at a pistol in the presence of a friend without a permit...

Oh the insanity of it all!!!!

[yellowfin]

For this very reason we're working on building up SCOPE's legal defense fund, and getting as many people to get on board with NYShooters.net to correct the misinformation. EVERY gun shop owner and gun owner should be on NYShooters so they can get educated and ask questions. The nonsense needs to be stopped immediately and permanently.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Ok So I was in a shop in Scottsville the other day and the owner told me its a NYS law that they cant show you a pistol unless you show them your permit. It was the first time I ever heard anyone say that it was a law before but maybe it is? I dont know? I have been trying to look it up but I cant find anything.

I have only ever been asked about my permit at the Gander Mountain in Rochester every other shop I go to have been to has never asked for my permit. So now Im wondering who is right?

[chapperjoe]

between laws and store policies, it can get a little crazy.

to their credit, when I was pre-pistol-permit here, the local Dick's was fine with selling me 9mm for my carbine. I didn't have to prove anything, but they did ask.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

between laws and store policies, it can get a little crazy.

to their credit, when I was pre-pistol-permit here, the local Dick's was fine with selling me 9mm for my carbine. I didn't have to prove anything, but they did ask.

I know right and I was just at the Gander MTN last week and asked to seek a couple of Markarovs they had and the guy never even asked just handed them over.

[snackgunner]

After reading this thread, it just reminds me again of how thankful I am that I am no longer in New York.

Living in New York is like living in a whole new world, compared to living down south, when it comes to gun laws.

[GGBird]

Late to this discussion, but new to my pistol permit and to handgun ownership. Down in Suffolk County on Long Island. Yes. It is the law. A gun shop can not even take a pistol out of the case to show it to you unless you first show them your pistol permit.

In order to actually purchase a gun here, you have to drive out to the police headquarters (for me 2 hours round trip), obtain a certificate of sale, $5.00 fee (you can get one for a specific gun OR for a purchase in general) You then have 20 days in which to purchase your pistol and return with it to police headquarters where they register it and add it onto your permit. If you do not purchase a pistol within 20 of the certificate's issuing date, the certificate must be returned, in person, to police headquarters.

And yes, the ranges that I have gone to have asked to see my 1911 and my permit to match the serial number before I was allowed to shoot at those ranges.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Late to this discussion, but new to my pistol permit and to handgun ownership. Down in Suffolk County on Long Island. Yes. It is the law. A gun shop can not even take a pistol out of the case to show it to you unless you first show them your pistol permit.

In order to actually purchase a gun here, you have to drive out to the police headquarters (for me 2 hours round trip), obtain a certificate of sale, $5.00 fee (you can get one for a specific gun OR for a purchase in general) You then have 20 days in which to purchase your pistol and return with it to police headquarters where they register it and add it onto your permit. If you do not purchase a pistol within 20 of the certificate's issuing date, the certificate must be returned, in person, to police headquarters.

And yes, the ranges that I have gone to have asked to see my 1911 and my permit to match the serial number before I was allowed to shoot at those ranges.

Dang that sucks.

I have done a bit more research on the subject asked a few shop owners both are also police officers. Turns out you dont have to show your permit and even the local Gander mtn has moved their pistol ammo from behind the counter out to were any one can get it with out asking.

[chasetopher]

Late to this discussion, but new to my pistol permit and to handgun ownership. Down in Suffolk County on Long Island. Yes. It is the law. A gun shop can not even take a pistol out of the case to show it to you unless you first show them your pistol permit.

In order to actually purchase a gun here, you have to drive out to the police headquarters (for me 2 hours round trip), obtain a certificate of sale, $5.00 fee (you can get one for a specific gun OR for a purchase in general) You then have 20 days in which to purchase your pistol and return with it to police headquarters where they register it and add it onto your permit. If you do not purchase a pistol within 20 of the certificate's issuing date, the certificate must be returned, in person, to police headquarters.

And yes, the ranges that I have gone to have asked to see my 1911 and my permit to match the serial number before I was allowed to shoot at those ranges.

This is plain scary. Thankfully I am in a 'free' state but I find it hard to believe that such restrictions could actually exist. The constitution and 2nd amendment only exist where the states allow it I guess.
Just scary.

[GGBird]

Gun laws in NY aside I must say that the police department and officers and their support staff that I came in contact with while I was getting my permit and purchasing my pistol were without exception, kind, courteous and very helpful.

And, I may have just lucked out, but my local gun store has been pretty terrific as well.