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    First SBR, need help

    I am about to start building my first SBR but I have no idea how to go about the nfa forms in order to get a 10.5 inch barrel. Can someone please help me out with this information, where to get the forms and what forms do I need?

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    It's a complicated but do-able landscape. Start by reading this sticky and this sticky.

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    Ok I get all of that but where do I get the atf form 4?

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    you weren't able to find them on the ATF website under "Forms"?

    OK.

    Go here to get forms as editable PDFs so that you can fill them out in Acrobat and print them. Note that both pages have to be printed on one sheet of paper.

    Alternatively, you can go here and order the printed blank forms mailed to you from ATF, including the appropriate fingerprint cards. They are prompt and accommodating in mailing that stuff to you.

    Note that you also need the form 5330.20 Certificate of Compliance (one copy - either downloaded or ordered) in addition to the Form 1 or Form 4.

    You can use your local PD or SO's fingerprint forms as long as they're the standard FBI forms (blue lines....most are). You will have to put the ATF NFA branch's ORI number on the form in the appropriate block.

    You said you were going to build this rifle. Are you sure you want a Form 4? That's for transferring, as when you buy it online and have it shipped to your dealer. Building an SBR would require a Form 1.

    Note that the Form 1 or Form 4 is for registering the receiver. The serial-numbered receiver is the SBR, not the barrel or upper receiver. You can order barrels and upper receivers without paperwork, but having a short-barreled upper at the same time you have a non-SBR lower is a potentially illegal situation.

    You will also want to consider whether you're going to register the receiver as an individual, or if you might want to form a trust or an LLC and register it to that entity.

    Note that if you build the SBR, you will have to have your lower receiver engraved with your name (or your trust/LLC's name) and your city / state.

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    I just googled "atf form 4" and it was at the top of the results. Hard, I know.

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    You would get the Form 4 from your class 3 dealer if you were buying an NFA firearm.

    To make an NFA firearm you need to use the Form 1.

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    "Note that the Form 1 or Form 4 is for registering the receiver. The serial-numbered receiver is the SBR, not the barrel or upper receiver. You can order barrels and upper receivers without paperwork, but having a short-barreled upper at the same time you have a non-SBR lower is a potentially illegal situation."

    Ok here is what I am actually doing at the moment. Forgive me I should have clarified. I am currently just building the upper. You said that I can order the upper without paperwork but having an SBR upper on a non SBR lower is a potentially illegal situation. What do you mean by this? how illegal, and would I have to build and register an SBR lower in order for it to become legal. I do not want to have any problems and if i can get away with just building an SBR upper and slapping it on my current lower without getting in trouble than that is the route I want to go. I live in TX if that helps any.
    Last edited by Devildog0311; 04-05-11 at 03:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karcas View Post
    I just googled "atf form 4" and it was at the top of the results. Hard, I know.
    I have no idea what I am doing, this is why I am asking for help on this site. Stay classy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devildog0311 View Post
    I am currently just building the upper. You said that I can order the upper without paperwork but having an SBR upper on a non SBR lower is a potentially illegal situation. What do you mean by this? how illegal, and would I have to build and register an SBR lower in order for it to become legal. I do not want to have any problems and if i can get away with just building an SBR upper and slapping it on my current lower without getting in trouble than that is the route I want to go. I live in TX if that helps any.
    Pretty much, if you have a SBR upper and ANY complete lower or parts to complete said lower, you will have to prove you didnt intend to put it all together into an illegal firearm. Get the approval first, then get your engraved lower, then get your upper. YOU WILL HAVE LEGAL PROBLEMS IF YOU BUY THE SBR UPPER WITHOUT HAVING THE REGISTERED LOWER. Use the search feature on this site, plenty of info on the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberFan View Post
    Pretty much, if you have a SBR upper and ANY complete lower or parts to complete said lower, you will have to prove you didnt intend to put it all together into an illegal firearm. Get the approval first, then get your engraved lower, then get your upper. YOU WILL HAVE LEGAL PROBLEMS IF YOU BUY THE SBR UPPER WITHOUT HAVING THE REGISTERED LOWER. Use the search feature on this site, plenty of info on the process.
    Ok Thank you.

    So basically I need to build the lower first, get it stamped and then I can build the upper with no issues? And which form do I need form 1 or form 4? And do I fill out the form before I begin the lower build? And where do I send the lower to get stamped?

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