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    Was assigned a Hydramatic M2 at one time.

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    i knew H&R made them but not General motors learn somthing new everyday
    does any body know how many MPG they get or what size tired they use ,

    my dad said his third M16 issued to him in 68-69 had MATTEL toy co. on it ? anyone have pics of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorolahamm View Post
    i knew H&R made them but not General motors learn somthing new everyday
    does any body know how many MPG they get or what size tired they use ,

    my dad said his third M16 issued to him in 68-69 had MATTEL toy co. on it ? anyone have pics of this
    http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    guess that answers that, Thanks

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    IOBC 4-83, GM Hydramatic M16A1. Ran just fine, no stoppages other than induced by operator error.

    The Mattel rumor was based on a lot of troops typically bitching about something. If it's an uninformed lie, so be it. It gave them a chance to vent.

    That sort of BS is a good indicator of how to handle any further nonsense they spout. It's usually based on equally uninformed concepts of technology. It's interesting to explain how to use a voltmeter to diagnose their fuel injected car. They glaze over in about ten seconds and start asking about four barrel conversions.

    Totally illegal, I reply. They are all hat and no horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewatters View Post
    Yes, I found it a couple of months ago, and have yet to incorporate the info into the 5.56 Timeline. I only wish that the other 11 sections of the report were available for download as well.
    How do we go about filing a request for copy? Shouldn't that be doable under the Freedom of Information Act? Seriously, I'll sign my name on a request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbore View Post
    They were made at GMs Hydramatic (transmission) plant in Toledo, OH.
    Nice. Should have kept that deal.

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    I used a GM Hydramatic M16A1 when I was a ROTC cadet at Ft. Lewis in 1998. Thinking back, it is amazing that they have kept those for so long.

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    Note the pic of the Iraq H&R - it's an arsenal refit with BURST stamped over the auto.
    If the lower is good to go, just refit and keep using it.

    There are lots of M16's out there, over 8 million and more, many in the hands of units who only get to shoot for qualification once a year. Keep one of those in a unit over a ten year period, the most abuse comes from cleaning it, not shooting it. As those get rotated for new weapons, lots of really nice parts get "recycled" regardless of origin.

    Kinda like the Union Switch and Railway 1911 locked in the rack at my first unit circa 1984. Or the M2's with dates back to the '40's. It's completely logical there's "old" guns out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45fmjoe View Post
    How do we go about filing a request for copy? Shouldn't that be doable under the Freedom of Information Act? Seriously, I'll sign my name on a request.
    If you are in the military, represent a business with military contracts, or a student, you can order them through DTIC. Everyone else should be able to order them through NTIS.

    At last check, five of the twelve volumes of the "Report of the M16 Rifle Review Panel" are available for free download through DTIC.

    Volume 1 - History of the M16 Weapon System
    Volume 6 - Appendix 5 - Procurement Production and Distribution History of the AR15-M16-M16A1 Weapon System
    Volume 7, Appendix 6 - Review and Analysis of M16 System Reliability
    Volume 8, Appendix 7 - M16 Surveys in the Republic of Vietnam
    Volume 11, Appendix 10 - The Army Small Arms Program

    The following are not currently available for download:

    Volume 2, Appendix 1 - Small Arms Test Policies and Procedures
    Volume 3, Appendix 2 - Audit Trail and Analysis of M16A1 Weapon and Ammunition System Tests
    Volume 4, Appendix 3 - Review and Analysis of M16 Rifle Training
    Volume 5, Appendix 4 - Ammunition Development Program
    Volume 9, Appendix 8 - Review and Analysis of the Army Organizational Structure and Management Practices
    Volume 10, Appendix 9 - Audit Trail of Chief of Staff, Army Actions and Decisions Concerning the M16
    Volume 12, Appendix 11 - M16 Product Improvement Modifications

    None of these twelve volumes appear to have been available at the time that "The Great Rifle Controversy", "The M16 Controversies", and "The Black Rifle" were written.

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