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    Quote Originally Posted by darr3239 View Post
    Much of what is being posted seems to be ideologically prompted, instead of sticking with cold hard facts. Kind of like discussing the political situation that is going on today. One side makes statements about something they believe in with little to no knowledge of the other side. Gets old pretty quick.

    In my opinion, trusts are not complicated. How many people used Turbotax instead of hiring a high dollar "professional"?

    What is needed is for someone to compare an NFA trust done by an experienced and knowledgeable Class 3 dealer, to one done by a lawyer. Obviously the lawyer should be versed in NFA issues, and unless they advertise such, then they probably aren't.

    My bet is there would be not a whole lot of difference between the two, legality wise. If I were to win the bet, then money is the only real issue.

    We are here to help one another out, by recommending quality products that save money, while increasing everyone's knowledge of provable facts. Everybody benefits that way.
    Agree with your points.

    I think that if we saw a LARGE portion of Trust's come back not approved, or we saw the ATF handing out fines, pulling tax stamps back (after they were given) or just denying Trust's all together, the lawyer route would make a lot of sense. Since we don't see any of the above, spending more than $200 on a lawyer to do what you can do for $60 just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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    Where the lawyer is useful, at least to me, is dispensation of the estate items in the case of your passing, etc. Yeah, I'm sure the $200 lawyer can help with that, but I'm quite satisfied with mine drafted to my particular circumstance. and he's never billed me for a followup call or question since he drafted the trust.

    People love to snipe at these things for some reason. "You got a trust? you're a moron!" "you paid more for your trust than I did? You're an idiot!"

    The trust, and who someone uses to draft same, is as much about trust and peace of mind as it is anything else. If that takes $600 for one guy then that's what it takes.

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    The LLC is superior to the trust in every way possible except if your state has high filing and high maintienace good standing fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I'm curious how one weighs the qualifications of the "gun trust lawyer"?
    That's the point exactly. There must be an honest lawyer who is an M4c member, knows this topic, isn't advertising his knowledge/services in this area, and who can shed some light on all this.

    I guess the comparison has to be against an "NFA knowledgeable" lawyer doing trusts, and a "trust knowledgeable" Class 3 dealer helping buyers.
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    In Florida:

    there is no NFA trust, you have a Revocable Living Trust or you don't, that's what the state recognizes.

    forming a LLC cost $166.00, then there's the $143.75 "Annual Report" fee. If you file your report after May 1 there's a $400.00 "late" fee.

    if you pay for a trust in the morning and it's done that afternoon my opinion is you got a boilerplate product with your name and numbers installed, that my friend isn't worth 600.00 no matter where you live.

    Until someone can tell me what makes a "NFA" trust special then it's just another sales tool. Until one is challenged and tested it's just another document. IF it gives you 600.00 worth of "peace of mind" and that's what you want, good for you, you got what you paid for.
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    Did I get a cut and paste document? I Sure did. Does that mean it is no good? Absolutely not. To think someone should pay an hourly rate for something like this is very short sighted. Professional schooling easily costs over a hundred fifty thousand dollars. When you go to a professional like a lawyer or Doctor off some kind you are paying for their education more than their time.

    Sure, I could have split the cost with my brother and dad (who are also listed on the trust and thus can also put weapons on the trust), but sometimes a guy wants to do a nice thing. Merry effing Christmas. I feel confident I got a quality product and that the legal advice I am now entitled to will be equally as good. If I had looked up Joe Shmuckatelli neighborhood lawyer I would not be as confident. Lawyers specialize, just like MDs and they do it for a reason - there is a lot of crap to know and you can't know it all. Would you go to a Podiatrist to have a root canal? No.

    I appreciate those of you telling me I spent too much in that you are trying to point others in a direction you would advise, but I am happy with my decision and would not dissuade anyone from following the same route. Fact is, if you don't have the money to spend on a good lawyer you should probably be putting the cost of an NFA weapon into something more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireglock View Post
    In Florida: there is no NFA trust, you have a Revocable Living Trust or you don't, that's what the state recognizes.
    Guys are just using "NFA Trust" as shorthand. Legally, they are talking about Living Trusts, whether revocable (recommended) or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    When you go to a professional like a lawyer or Doctor off some kind you are paying for their education more than their time.
    This is true. The prices you pay for "professional" services are more, not because they are necessarily worth it, but because the have educational bills to pay, not to mention their mansions, Mercedes', Porsches, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    Lawyers specialize, just like MDs and they do it for a reason - there is a lot of crap to know and you can't know it all. Would you go to a Podiatrist to have a root canal? .
    I doubt anyone is really specializing in NFA Trusts. I assume they are adding it to their repertoire for additional income. I'm not saying they aren't doing them properly, or that they shouldn't get involved. I am saying they know it isn't hard. They could possibly have even learned the correct lingo from, dare I say it, a Class III Dealer.

    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    Fact is, if you don't have the money to spend on a good lawyer you should probably be putting the cost of an NFA weapon into something more important.
    I don't really have an intelligent response for that one.

    I'm sure there are some who would never let a gunsmith work on his weapon of choice, unless he could show proof he had a degree in mechanical engineering. But even then, there would be no indication he was worth his salt working on a gun.

    Everyone is still free in the U S of A to make his own choices, and if one feels good about the choice he made, then more power to him. Those who come close to disrespecting anyone else, for the choices they make, are not communicating in the best manner, and their words are better left unsaid.

    Most on this site are current or ex-ilitary/police, industry professionals, or people heavy into the gun world. Let's all have a good time and learn from one another.
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    I am active duty navy.

    I wonder if the fine folks at Navy legal would do this for me.

    anyone sailor can walk in and get a will, living will, and such for free. as well as have a lol-yer look at a lease or mortgage for any funny buisness.

    seems like a simple trust would be small potatoes for them.

    though since I am naming mine "the Fuse firearms trust" I wonder if that would raise some eyebrows. and then telling them "oh this is just to make buying suppressors simpler.."

    believe it or not DoD is not exactly pro gun for its members...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperAZ View Post
    That right there is one reason I want to have a lawyer draw up mine when I get ready for an SBR or can. If $600 keeps me from being some dudes bitch when the govt decides that the "Quicken loop-hole" is no good, then so be it.
    I highly doubt the "Quicken loop-hole" will ever be closed...and even if it did, you would not be charged with a crime as you would have done this "act" before it was considered illegal.

    Like stated before, if it wasn't a viable means of obtaining an NFA item then the ATF would never accept it in the first place...

    I understand wanting "just that much more" peace of mind, but just loosen the tin-foil hat in the process fellas.

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