Ranger +P+ 9mm a question

[KhanRad]

I'm sure this depends on unit practices, etc. But the famed durability of the P226 isn't what some may think it is. I've been through some schools with certain units and have seen first hand parts, including slides being replaced every 3-5k on them. This applied to the stamped ones, not the solid ones that have been about for a while.

If they were training with 9mm NATO, I can see how they were getting premature parts breakages. Most contract stuff runs around 32k psi and +P velocities(around 1250fps), depending on the country and year of manufacture. IMI stuff usually runs up to 36k psi and will throw a 124gr bullet almost 1350fps from a M9. That's +P+ pressures and velocity. We switched to only standard pressure 147gr eight years ago and haven't had any problems with our stamped slide Sigs meeting the 5k round service interval. The newer machined slides should in theory be better, but due to Sig's poor quality controls as of late I'd opt for a old stamped slide Sig any day.

[Scouse]

If they were training with 9mm NATO, I can see how they were getting premature parts breakages. Most contract stuff runs around 32k psi and +P velocities(around 1250fps), depending on the country and year of manufacture. IMI stuff usually runs up to 36k psi and will throw a 124gr bullet almost 1350fps from a M9. That's +P+ pressures and velocity. We switched to only standard pressure 147gr eight years ago and haven't had any problems with our stamped slide Sigs meeting the 5k round service interval. The newer machined slides should in theory be better, but due to Sig's poor quality controls as of late I'd opt for a old stamped slide Sig any day.

The Gen4 Glock 19 has a problem with the cheaper WalMart 9mm, but tames P+P loads very well, reduces the felt recoil.

Plus the new recivers are great. All the improvements we have asked for for years! Right there. TruGlow sights, the last improvement required. I know good shooters, issued Sig 226s, do well, and master the first round abomination, then to single action, for the second shot, but it is still silly.

The manipulation of the trigger is the most crucial of all shooting skills! Go to the boring exercise, that all Cops HATE! Shooting dots at 7 yds!

Add a crappy trigger to the mix? Not good. A 2" dot at 5m, the across the kitchen shot into an eye socket, to me, a crucial skill. Domestics anyone?

And with your service pistol, and issue ammunition.

[eo500]

Whatever ammo you choose, make sure to try out a couple of boxes in your personal weapon of choice. I tried the +P+ and the 147 gr Winchesters in my Glock 19 and 26. I didn't have any failures with either ammo, but the +P+ ejected brass either over my head, or back into my face. Since I don't plan to always have eye pro on when I carry, I chose the 147gr. Just one more thing to consider when choosing ammo.

[DocGKR]

http://le.atk.com/pdf/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf

[KCabbage]

Do either of these rounds (127gr. +P+ vs. 147gr.) out perform the other against automobiles, deflection on bone or penetration in flesh?

[DocGKR]

The 147 gr is generally a bit better.

[Paul45]

http://le.atk.com/pdf/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf

Thanks for the follow up.

[Paul45]

Thanks for the follow up.

Both are blank - I think they may be restricted for LE.

Thanks for trying

[KCabbage]

The 147 gr is generally a bit better.

Excellent. Which 147 gr. do you prefer?

[KhanRad]

Excellent. Which 147 gr. do you prefer?

Heavier bullets are also better against internal bone structure since they retain more momentum. I remember an old post by Dr. Roberts talking about an FBI test against a human femur incased in ballistic gel. The heavier 9mm load did better than the lighter one, and the .45acp went clean through. The Canadians did a similar study in the mid 1990s and came to similar conclusions.