Why would you get 4MOA vs. 2 on an Aimpoint?

[Ironman8]

Are they making the T1s in 2 moa? I hear their current 4 moa dot is more like 3 moa anyways (and can vary with how bright you set it), but I thought I heard something about them making a 2 moa option as well...

[rob_s]

I don't think you're going to see a 2 MOA T-1 anytime soon. As I understand it the projector in the current T-1 is actually the 2 MOA projector from the big sights and it appears 3-4 MOA because of the shorter tube. I'm paraphrasing here as I'm no expert and I can't find the post from Aimpoint that talked about this.

[Ironman8]

So with that size moa dot accuracy would be acceptable with the T1 out to 100-200 yds?

I am coming from experience only with EOTech...I have been toying with the idea of switching over to Aimpoint for a while now...partly because I'm in the process of building a 10.5" SBR that will be set up for HD/CQB and I like the idea of always keeping the optic on.

I know this horse has been beat to death but I don't have any experience with the Aimpoint like you guys do...

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

This reason is why I went back to the EOtech I like the 1 MOA dot but I have very good eye sight. After I got the H1 for my wifes rifle however the weight savings has me thinking of picking up a T1.

[markm]

I love the precision of irons and run them exclusively. So when faced with the aggrivation of shooting a guy's gun who has a dot sight.... the 2 MOA dot is much less annoying.

The Aimpoint PRO being 2MOA has me very tempted to snag one for one of my range toy guns.

[Failure2Stop]

What about your T-1?

Eh, its more like "something less than 4 MOA"

So with that size moa dot accuracy would be acceptable with the T1 out to 100-200 yds?

I won't say that a 4 MOA (or 2 MOA or 1 MOA) dot won't cover up what you are trying to hit, but on a target as big as a human head a 4 MOA dot will still easily center at 200 meters, and the shot will still fall inside the dot out to about 225 (with a 100 yard zero), after which you will be holding over the target anyway, making dot size irrelevant.

As long as what you are trying to hit is larger than your dot, you will have no problem.

[rob_s]

I had no problem hitting an 8" steel plate at 200 yards with a pencil barrel SBR shooting XM193 with a 4MOA dot zeroed at that distance.

Inhink this is largely he problem with those that obsess about the 1MOA dot of the Eotech: target shooting. When shooting round targets with graduated colored rings having a 1 MOA dot may help. When shooting humans, or human-form targets, or other large amorphous shapes, the difference in 1MOA to 4MOA really doesn't matter much.

Having shot 1, 2, and 4 MOA dot sights at targets like the IDPA and USPSA at distances from 2' to 300 yards from my muzzle, I never once thought of he dot size as an advantage or a hinderance.

[PlatoCATM]

So with that size moa dot accuracy would be acceptable with the T1 out to 100-200 yds?

I am coming from experience only with EOTech...I have been toying with the idea of switching over to Aimpoint for a while now...partly because I'm in the process of building a 10.5" SBR that will be set up for HD/CQB and I like the idea of always keeping the optic on.

I know this horse has been beat to death but I don't have any experience with the Aimpoint like you guys do...

Is this accurate enough?

I shot my BCM SBR with H-1 a couple weeks ago from mag-pod prone using a leftover magazine containing random 55 gr fmj training fodder. I wasn't shooting for high precision mind you, but with a sustained rate of fire I was able to achieve 3-4 MOA over 15 rounds. I'm not saying that's great precision shooting, but it is the maximum that ammo is capable of. I was shocked at the ammo and optic combination to be honest, not to mention I've never cleaned my barrel. I may have to use some good ammo and test it more thoroughly, as Molon clearly makes a strong case for accurate shooting with an aimpoint.

[wahoo95]

Depends on your eyes. I've had no issues with the 3-4moa dot on my T-1. Took the Trace Armory Carbine class at the Nat'l Guard Training Center in Butner NC last week where we did a considerable amout of shooting out to 300yds and had no problems keeping shots from my 11.5" BCM on target.

We zero'd at 25yd then made final adjustments at the 300yd line. Fired 4 shots each at 300/200/150/100/50/25yd and kept all but 2 shots in the 8 ring of a silouette target using a consistant high COM hold. They also had us shoot the US Army qualifier on the 300yd pop up range and I had no problem shooting 38 of 40 targets using the 3-4moa dot.

[Ironman8]

Good to know F2S...thanks.

My theory on the whole Aimpoint/EOTech debate is this...I would rather have the EOTech reticle for the 1 MOA dot for precision shooting and I actually like the 65 MOA ring to just center a target up in and be at least close to hitting center mass. I would think that my eyes would pick up that ring quicker as well.

Obviously, I would rather have the battery life of the Aimpoint, but my theory was that if I ever needed to respond to a "bump in the night" and forgot to turn the EOTech on or if it happened to die right in the middle of that situation, then I could just "shoot through the tube" so to speak and make decent hits in a CQB environment (as long as I keep a good cheek weld of course)...thus negating the battery life issue...

Now what has me looking towards the Aimpoint now is because of the SBR build I'm doing and really liking the idea of the T1 on that build.

If I go the T1 route then I wouldn't want to leave my XPS on my 14.5" due to wanting to keep things consistent (same reticle)....still on the fence deciding...

I'll ETA: that the 1 MOA dot is down the list of priorities when it comes to the features of each site. Its really the 65 MOA ring that (I would think) would be easier to pick up than just one dot...as simple as that one dot is....