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    This is pretty much spot on.

    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    My "dog in this fight" is that the entire reason this forum used to exist is to point out that there are material and functional differences between various manufactured carbines.

    I'm amazed that you haven't been monkeystomped by others for some of your statements in this thread.

    BTW, throwing in the patriotic appeal by mentioning LE and servicemembers is a cheap and disgusting technique that is beyond the pale, imo. I'm in my 30th year of military service and from my direct experience, 90+% of servicemembers are ****ing idiots when it comes to AR/M4 knowledge. It actually is worse than just ignorance, and is firmly in the active idiocy category for a lot of them. And based on my limited exposure to LEOs, they are even worse.

    To say that consumers should be happy to pay the same price for a objectively lesser quality carbine, is nuts and does not belong on this forum.

    Are you unable to comprehend that a $1050 Colt 6920 is a superior product to a $1230 Stag in price and (probably) quality? What about cheaper price and better reputation are you too ****ing dense to get?

    For $1299 you are firmly into Colt 6940 territory, btw.

    I get that some states have Colt's carbines verboten by name, but surely there are better choices than Stag. And Stag may choose to improve their product, but like the other schlockmeister AR producers, they have a lot to prove before they are accepted as a true producer of quality. Adding $100 to the price and saying that this time, no kidding, they are going to produce a quality product just doesn't cut it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    My "dog in this fight" is that the entire reason this forum used to exist is to point out that there are material and functional differences between various manufactured carbines.

    I'm amazed that you haven't been monkeystomped by others for some of your statements in this thread.

    BTW, throwing in the patriotic appeal by mentioning LE and servicemembers is a cheap and disgusting technique that is beyond the pale, imo. I'm in my 30th year of military service and from my direct experience, 90+% of servicemembers are ****ing idiots when it comes to AR/M4 knowledge. It actually is worse than just ignorance, and is firmly in the active idiocy category for a lot of them. And based on my limited exposure to LEOs, they are even worse.

    To say that consumers should be happy to pay the same price for a objectively lesser quality carbine, is nuts and does not belong on this forum.

    Are you unable to comprehend that a $1050 Colt 6920 is a superior product to a $1230 Stag in price and (probably) quality? What about cheaper price and better reputation are you too ****ing dense to get?

    For $1299 you are firmly into Colt 6940 territory, btw.

    I get that some states have Colt's carbines verboten by name, but surely there are better choices than Stag. And Stag may choose to improve their product, but like the other schlockmeister AR producers, they have a lot to prove before they are accepted as a true producer of quality. Adding $100 to the price and saying that this time, no kidding, they are going to produce a quality product just doesn't cut it.
    Amen to that brother!
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    Thank you. I appreciate everybody's input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyM4 View Post
    Here, let me help y'all out.

    Head to Stags website here: http://www.stagarms.com/product_info...roducts_id=205, and you'll find the gun that closest competes with the Colt 6920.

    The price is $950. Add $100 for the plus package and they are the same price wise, and theoretically quality wise as well.
    For less than $950 you can pin a BCM or DD upper to a quality complete lower and STILL have a better gun than a STAG.

    Now factor in that the Colt price is absolutly at $1050 new, but the Stag will be less locally or via standard sellers on the 'net (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/411535182), and *theoretically* the Stag will have the same quality and be the inexpensive one.

    Now lets say you have a guy who agrees with our requirements for a good fighting carbine, but is on a budget. The Stag is a viable option.
    If $100 makes the difference between owning and not owning an AR carbine, dudes got bigger issues. And frankly, I could give a shit about the "100 round a year" and "safequeen" owners.

    Have you noticed that M4C has influenced makers to change their manufacturing standards? It's not because we've taken the "as good as" or even "good enough" line.

    If Joe six-pack wants a plinker, he can get a cheap carbine from Palmetto State Armory that actually comes very close to mil-spec for something like $550. Stags are bad because they are neither "fish, fowl or good red meat." And they tend to sell for Colt prices at the local gunstore.
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    This is a point I have made several times. If you make a decision based upon 100-200.00 dollars then you need to buy something else. In addition to the cost of the weapon there is still ammunition, magazines, cleaning kit and other stuff.

    You will not be able to be able to shoot the weapon or clean it in which case it's a waste of time and money.

    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    For less than $950 you can pin a BCM or DD upper to a quality complete lower and STILL have a better gun than a STAG.



    If $100 makes the difference between owning and not owning an AR carbine, dudes got bigger issues. And frankly, I could give a shit about the "100 round a year" and "safequeen" owners.

    Have you noticed that M4C has influenced makers to change their manufacturing standards? It's not because we've taken the "as good as" or even "good enough" line.

    If Joe six-pack wants a plinker, he can get a cheap carbine from Palmetto State Armory that actually comes very close to mil-spec for something like $550. Stags are bad because they are neither "fish, fowl or good red meat." And they tend to sell for Colt prices at the local gunstore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is a point I have made several times. If you make a decision based upon 100-200.00 dollars then you need to buy something else. In addition to the cost of the weapon there is still ammunition, magazines, cleaning kit and other stuff.

    You will not be able to be able to shoot the weapon or clean it in which case it's a waste of time and money.
    It's a very good point and one I have made in other contexts. To be clear about my own position, the money isn't an issue and I am actually a "buy once, cry once" believer, having learned that the hard way. At the same time, I don't want to pay more than I have to for quality parts and I do like the idea of supporting a local company if it makes sense. I am in the market for my first M4. I want to do it right AND at the best cost I can, and I genuinely appreciate the input I've gotten here.

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    love the double standard

    just out of curiosity how is it that a senior member(120mm) can use words like "shitty", monkeystomped, "****ing idiots" to describe a particular segment of people and a manufacturer and still be on this forum. i have seen people banned for less and im pretty sure i will be after this post but i have to ask the moderators. does being a senior member give u some sort of leeway to say crass things or its all subjective? and way to go GRUMPY u didnt back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulb View Post
    just out of curiosity how is it that a senior member(120mm) can use words like "shitty", monkeystomped, "****ing idiots" to describe a particular segment of people and a manufacturer and still be on this forum. i have seen people banned for less and im pretty sure i will be after this post but i have to ask the moderators. does being a senior member give u some sort of leeway to say crass things or its all subjective? and way to go GRUMPY u didnt back down.
    If you think we ban people over such trivialities as disagreeing on whether or not they need a 4150 barrel, you are mistaken.

    Our members are free to disagree over whatever they want, and as long as it remaing pertinent to the discussion and doesn't devolve to personal insults, it's fine. Further, people are free to use whatever words they choose as long as it is not excessive or personal. While 120 used words that can be insulting, they were not directed at anyone personally, and pretty much reflect the informed user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulb View Post
    just out of curiosity how is it that a senior member(120mm) can use words like "shitty", monkeystomped, "****ing idiots" to describe a particular segment of people and a manufacturer and still be on this forum. i have seen people banned for less and im pretty sure i will be after this post but i have to ask the moderators. does being a senior member give u some sort of leeway to say crass things or its all subjective? and way to go GRUMPY u didnt back down.
    That's just his style of talking. And he didn't insult anyone directly. The Mods seem fine with dissenting opinions, just not childish BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulb View Post
    and way to go GRUMPY u didnt back down.
    This isnt an elementary school playground fight. I doubt either person is taking this personally. I think your view on this debate is skewed a bit. And you might not believe it or agree with it- but 120mm is trying to help new buyers.

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    Have you ever seen someone banned from this site for using bad language? I read what he said, and I am personally Ok with it. He didn't personally insult anyone. He stated something that has been stated many times over on this site. Hell I have probably said it as well.

    He isn't atacking Grumpy. He is attacking the message.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulb View Post
    just out of curiosity how is it that a senior member(120mm) can use words like "shitty", monkeystomped, "****ing idiots" to describe a particular segment of people and a manufacturer and still be on this forum. i have seen people banned for less and im pretty sure i will be after this post but i have to ask the moderators. does being a senior member give u some sort of leeway to say crass things or its all subjective? and way to go GRUMPY u didnt back down.



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