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  1. #21
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    Use Aimpoints on half your rifles and Eotechs on the rest.....problem solved!!!

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    Battery life
    No Auto Shut off
    Simple 4MOA "Dot Of Death"
    More rugged
    no battery compartment issues with batteries (Seen lots of threads on corrosion.. yeah, I know it's the battery.. but it still happens more then with an Aimpoint)
    Like the rotary dial better
    No pixalated reticle

    I see no advantages to an EOTech

    Aimpoint all the way......

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    if you want an Eotech with just the dot, look at the 552.D1 model.

    I have one. it ONLY has a ~1 moa dot, & you can adjust the size of the dot by turning the power up or down.

    i understand i am basically blooming the dot... but since there is no 65 MOA ring to bloom the rest of the view, this works just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    Battery life
    No Auto Shut off
    Simple 4MOA "Dot Of Death"
    More rugged
    no battery compartment issues with batteries (Seen lots of threads on corrosion.. yeah, I know it's the battery.. but it still happens more then with an Aimpoint)
    Like the rotary dial better
    No pixalated reticle

    I see no advantages to an EOTech

    Aimpoint all the way......

    I'm not being a smart ass, and I'm definitely not an expert on these optics. But, my EOTech 553 has long battery life (1100 hrs is long to me) and auto shut off (at 4 or 8 hours whichever I prefer). It's got 20 brightness settings (from very bright to barely visible), plus another 10 settings for NV.

    I can't really comment on durabilty but, I think it's pretty solid.

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    I prefer the Eotech but I believe the Aimpoint to be a more durable and proven optic. Go with an ML3 with Larue mount and your set.
    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin 1759

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    Re battery life. EOTech advertises 1100 hrs. I have 4 (3 552's and one 553), and none has a recorded battery life of over 400 hrs.
    The fact that there is an auto shut off is a killer for me. The Aimpoints stay on all of the time>
    Re durability- the battery box may not be sealed. The battery contact springs are weak and crush under high round counts (we advise to carry a hemostat...)
    The EOTech is a decent sight , but from my experience and for my purposes, the Aimpoint M3/ M4/ M4B and Micro have it all over the EO.
    This isn't "personal preference". This is about having equipment that is demonstrably better.

    Note that i have EO's, Aimpoints and Short Dots available for use by students at class.

    The below is from Alumni Site.


    Some things that need to be considered when purchasing a military combat optic that you’ll trust with your life is durability, reliability, simplicity, and life cycle costs. The intent is not to create a debate about which optic is the best but to compare life cycle costs of military combat optics based on Apples and Apples as best possible, thus I used only the data provided by each manufacturer for their optics that are NVD compatible for military use, manufacturers suggested retail price, as well as an approximate battery cost based on a Google search.
    Those optics compared were only that are in use by the U.S. military and have a 1X to 3X or 4X magnification capability, thus the Trijicon TA01NSN-DOC with 1X Docter Optic, the new M68 CCO Aimpoint CompM4 w/3X Magnifier in a Twist Mount, Schmidt & Bender 1.1-4X Short Dot II, ELCAN SpecterDR, and the EOTech 552.A65 & 557.AR223 w/ both 3X & 4x Magnifiers used by the Military.

    Aimpoint CompM4 w/3XMagnifier & Twist Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1486
    Life Cycle Cost - 80,000 Hours w/ AA Lithium Battery
    CompM4 MSR $780 + 3X Magnifier MSR $535 + Twist Mount MSR $171
    Weight - CompM4 335g + 3X Magnifier w/Twist Mount 300g = 635g

    ELCAN SpecterDR MSR + Life Cycle Cost $2100
    Life Cycle Cost - 2,000 Hours w/ CR 1/3N Lithium = 40 Batteries X $3.49 ea = $140

    SpecterDR $1960 + Life Cycle Costs $140
    Weight - 598g

    Schmidt & Bender 1.1-4X Short Dot II MSR + Life Cycle Cost $2975
    Life Cycle Cost – 100 Hours CR2032 Battery = $776
    1.1-4X Short Dot II MSR $2199 + Life Cycle Cost $776
    Weight – 570gr

    Trijicon TA01NSN-DOC MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1605
    Life Cycle Cost – 10 Years Tritium + 17,000 Hours CR2032 Battery = 5 Batteries X $0.97 = $5

    TA01NSN-DOC MSR $1600 + Life Cycle Cost $5
    Weight – 424g

    EOTech 552.A65 w/ 3X & Flip Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1373
    Life Cycle Cost – 1100 Hours AA Lithium Battery = 146 Batteries X $2.50 ea = $365

    552.A65 MSR $479 + Life Cycle $365 + 3X w/ Flip Mount MSR $529

    Weight – 552.A65 326g + 3X w/ Flip Mount 297g = 623g



    EOTech 557.AR223 w/ 3X & Flip Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1463

    Life Cycle Cost – 1100 Hours AA Lithium Battery = 146 Batteries X $2.50 ea = $365

    557.AR223 MSR $569 + Life Cycle $365 + 3X w/ Flip Mount MSR $529

    Weight – 557.AR223 326g + 3X w/ Flip Mount 297g = 623g



    EOTech 552.A65 w/ 4X & Flip Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1703

    Life Cycle Cost – 1100 Hours AA Lithium Battery = 146 Batteries X $2.50 ea = $365

    552.A65 MSR $479 + Life Cycle $365 + 4X w/ Flip Mount MSR $859

    Weight – 552.A65 326g + 4X w/ Flip Mount 453g = 779g



    EOTech 557.AR223 w/ 4X & Flip Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1793

    Life Cycle Cost – 1100 Hours AA Lithium Battery = 146 Batteries X $2.50 ea = $365

    557.AR223 MSR $569 + Life Cycle $365 + 4X w/ Flip Mount MSR $859

    Weight – 557.AR223 326g + 4X w/ Flip Mount 453g = 779g


    The M68 CCO CompM4

    The CompM4 is the latest version of the US Army’s M68 CCO (Close-Combat Optic), continuing what Aimpoint has maintained since 1997. Improvements include improved energy efficiency that provides up to 8 years of continuous use from a single AA battery. The CompM4 incorporates an integral mount that eliminates the need for a separate ring, and can be customized with vertical and forward spacers to fit a variety of weapon systems. The performance of the CompM4 is optimized for use with all generations of night vision devices (NVDs), but is especially suited for 3rd generation night vision technology. Aimpoint’s unique band-pass coating on the front lens reflects select frequencies of red light at near 100% efficiency in order to give the highest possible dot brightness with the smallest amount of energy while transmitting nearly 100% of light in the Infrared and near-infrared part of the spectrum to provide the clearest, brightest image possible when used with a 3rd generation NVD. The CompM4 has 7 NVD compatible brightness settings and 9 Daylight settings including one extra-bright setting. The M68 CCO CompM4 Aimpoint excels in close combat operations and when combined with an Aimpoint 3X Magnifier it provides a great combat optic for engagements easily out to 500 yards.



    Elcan SpecterDR Dual Role 1x and 4x Combat Sight

    SpecterDR represents a revolution in optical sight design. A dual field of view combat optical sight that combines close

    and precision fire ranged combat features. SpecterDR switches instantly from 4x magnified sight to a 1x CQB sight at the throw of a lever. Unlike zoom sights, the SpecterDR offers an optimized optical path and identical eye relief in both 4x and 1x modes. Depending on the situation, the user may adjust the sight to illuminate the entire crosshair or just a 1.5 MoA dot in the center.


    The TA01NSN-DOC combines the technology of the battle-tested Trijicon ACOG (4x32) gun sight with the

    Docter Optic Red Dot sight. This provides shooters the option of quick acquisition close range sighting with the Docter

    Sight and the precision for longer range shooting with the Trijicon ACOG 4x32. The Docter Sight used has a 7.0 MOA dot. (Advertised battery life for the Docter optic is 17,000 hours. Use by Marines in Iraq found the Docter fragile during combat use with battery life far less than advertised.)



    Trijicon and USMC briefing points about using the ACOG:

    The Chevron should be illuminated red. The illumination provided by the tritium lamp is very faint and will be hard to

    see without a dark-adapted eye. Remain in the dark room for approximately ten minutes to adapt your eyes to the dark. The ACOG is a 4 power scope. When using it to engage targets at close distances, the magnification can slow down your reaction time. The fiber optic/Tritium Red Chevron is faint to non-existent when going from bright outdoors to dark indoors (as is the case during daylight urban operations), when using a weapon mounted light in a dark enclosure/building, and shooting at targets from a dark enclosure/interior to a bright exterior/outdoor.


    Those shooters that are cross-eye dominant, meaning they are using their non-dominate eye behind the optic, will experience a shift in POI when using both eyes open shooting. Encourage these shooters to transition to their dominant side. The only other option is to use the optic like a traditional scope and close the non-shooting eye. The disadvantage of this choice is it’s much slower in close quarters shooting.



    Night vision devices like the AN/PVS-7B or AN/PVS-14 can be used behind the ACOG to display a magnified image at

    night. Mounting AN/PVS-14 behind the ACOG on the rail system would require that the ACOG be moved forward a great

    deal and a loss of zero would result, this method is not recommended. Mounting the AN/PVS-14 in front of the ACOG on

    the extra rail space is not recommended either because the AN/PVS-14 is not a true inline night sight. The AN/PVS-14

    produces an image viewable at night by multiplying existing light by an exponential amount. When placing a precise

    aiming point (ACOG reticle) on the display of the night vision, the accuracy on the true image cannot be guaranteed.


    Trijicon and USMC Warnings about using the ACOG on the battlefield:

    Optic uses Radioactive Materials and is considered a Radiation Hazard. The ACOG contains radioactive material for

    nighttime illumination. The human body does not easily retain hydrogen or Tritium as a gas. However, the oxide, HTO,

    which is formed by the burning of the Tritium, is 10,000 times more hazardous. Be cautious if ACOG is burning.







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    I like the EOTech myself. I'm just a wee bit faster with it.
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    The only thing I like better about the Eotech is the wider field of view. I used the Aimpoints for work even the old old mosels and never had a problem with them function wise. I started liking the Eotech's FOV but after ordering the Comp M4 for a customer im going to have to get me one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihan View Post
    The only thing I like better about the Eotech is the wider field of view. I started liking the Eotech's FOV but after ordering the Comp M4 for a customer im going to have to get me one.

    Does the M4 have a wider FOV than the Eotech? I had a chance to handle one at the local shop and that M4 sure is a nice piece of kit...

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    FOV??? Guys, you are keeping both eyes open and looking through a lens affixed to a chassis.
    One is rectangulkar, and one is circular.
    There is no magnification. There are no FOV issues with either.

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