Barely know how to shoot an AR15, should I buy an optic regardless?

[rob_s]

I don't even have to take markm off of ignore to predict what his post consists of...

• disparaging remarks about Pat Rogers
• more admonishments to avoid optics
• no factual, beneficial, or supportive data

How'd I do?

[R Moran]

Here's what most people do when they get an AR and they're new to the thing... or new to guns period.

BOLT a bunch of shit to the gun rather than figure how to use what they have. Just because Pat Rogers gets kick backs to tell you that YOU NEED to have a Red Dot, doesn't make it so.

Why don't you quit with the drive by's on Pat Rogers? Have you even met the man? Kick back's, really? Can you prove that?

Now, how about answering the question? What advantage do iron sights have in teh real world?

I suppose the Army is getting kcikbacks also?

Bob

[Deadeye0331]

If this is your primary HD weapon I'd go with the optic. Iron sights are great for learning marksmanship fundamentals but as others have said Marksmanship and CQB are not the same thing.
When you are defending your home and family at 3AM some day, I guarantee you will not be thinking "breath,relax,aim,sight,squeeze". It will go more like "bad guy Bang!" If you are lucky you may have time to reference the front sight tower or red dot, but at in home ranges natural point of aim is going to be a big part of getting rounds on target. RDS are better equipped for that kind of shooting.

[d90king]

Here's what most people do when they get an AR and they're new to the thing... or new to guns period.

BOLT a bunch of shit to the gun rather than figure how to use what they have. Just because Pat Rogers gets kick backs to tell you that YOU NEED to have a Red Dot, doesn't make it so.

You are walking a very fine line thats probably NOT worth the jabs in the long run... Unless you have hard evidence of the above, it would be very wise to cease and desist from further comments in an open forum where you could be held liable for your words.

Do as you wish but be aware that you are walking a tight rope, not to mention its a bit grade school and diminishes your credibility in other areas.

And FWIW I have never trained with Pat but I hope to at some point down the road when time permits.

[rob_s]

diminishes your credibility in other areas.

there's a number less than zero?

[Cylinder Head]

I don't even have to take markm off of ignore to predict what his post consists of...

• disparaging remarks about Pat Rogers
• more admonishments to avoid optics
• no factual, beneficial, or supportive data

How'd I do?

Verbatim. Wow. Still, I enjoy markm's posts. He's funny.

[Kuro Ookami]

I mean, why deprive yourself the opportunity to train with an RDS? You sound like you pretty much have the fundamentals down.

[rob_s]

If he is lacking the fundamentals, and it sounds to me like he probably is, the sighting system he uses to learn then is unlikely to matter. The key is to get some quality training with a good instructor.

[chadbag]

Yeah, learning fundamentals before adding performance enhancers is completely unrelated to this thread. Hey guys, I plan on starting a weight lifting program soon. What kind of 'roids should I use with my first cycle? I want to be really strong.

I think someone is missing the point entirely.

Since when is a RDS a "performance enhancer" and not a basic piece of equipment for a fighting rifle?

[Ed L.]

Here's what most people do when they get an AR and they're new to the thing... or new to guns period.

BOLT a bunch of shit to the gun rather than figure how to use what they have. Just because Pat Rogers gets kick backs to tell you that YOU NEED to have a Red Dot, doesn't make it so.

And of course Pat Rogers is the only instructor out there who advocates Red Dot Optics, isn't he?

It's not like the US Army Uses them.

Oh, wait, they do and have ordered or bought over a million variations fo the Aimpoints.

Well, anyway, it's not like any Special Ops groups use RDS.

Oh, wait, they were among the first users for the obvious advantages that RDS provide.