Whining, bitching, moaning, etc. about M4C

[TehLlama]

But it's ok, you're not the only one. Not by a long shot. It seems that most of the under-30 set needs a bit of a nose wiping and encouraging word to get them through the day. I don't know if it's 'cause momma didn't love you guys enough, or daddy loved you too much, but damn y'all are a sensitive bunch.

Even with the 'most' caveat, I still take an infinitesimal amount of offense at this sort of 'damn whiny kids' viewpoint.

I WOULD agree that any sort of moderation tricks that could move most of the drama out of the tech sections would be appreciated, I can empathize with what RMoran is on about where a lot of good technical threads (what M4C is best at) have been getting sidetracked here of late by petty shit.

[TXBob]

Appreciate the response, but I'm already on there and several of the other forums. (and yes I get you are mocking me).
sad thing is they reign in their troglodytes and act like adults.

Sorry guys but the machismo "tough guy" crap just isn't impressive. Its just juvenile. If you don't like my opinion, you've got yours. I've said my piece in the forums and responded here. I have more important things to do. I'd rather this site was strictly populated by adults who could behave in public, but we can't always get what we want, even if we try to change it. I've never disagreed with the info or the way its presented in 99% of cases (case in point post #1 of thread in question as perfect example of how to be an adult, and yet this infamous "tier 1 tough love"). but for too many around here "correct" is a license to behave in a manner that would get you thrown out of any public setting.

[Packman73]

This is silly.

[PrivateCitizen]

I'm just trying to educate people on correct behavior in public.

Honestly, it isn't your job.

[d90king]

TXbob, recommend trying out LightFighter if you want a no BS, technical weapons and tactics forum.

He would be banned in less than 3 posts...

[d90king]

Honestly, it isn't your job.

Especially when he has only been here for a few months...

[cody0341]

BECAUSE its the internet. A rather large wall between them and who they are snarking about. It's far easier when you know they can't punch you in the face.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, punches in the face. The only thing the internet can't do.

[R Moran]

TXBOB,
Really dude? Where do you get off telling anyone how to behave? You act like we are out at a 5 star restaurant

On and on about "adult" behavior. Talk about be filled up with one self.

I'll tell you what, I'll let you know when your being a jerk, OK?

Your being a jerk!

Bob

[TOrrock]

Enough.

TXBob, if you're not happy here, you might do better on another forum.

If you don't agree with the site culture, stop trying to moderate it to your own views.

This is indeed damn silly.

[JSantoro]

If you feel like someone's post was rude, report it. It's not that hard. Quoting them, and telling everyone you thought they were mean, and that everyone on M4C is mean, and b-o-o-h-o-o and so on is just about you wagging your little penis in the air, not about fixing the "problem". Report the post, if you're actually trying to effect change, but jumping on your soapbox to whine about it is WAY more about you than it is anyone else.

This is the essence of it.

Ladies and gents, your support structure is in place already. What one has to do is bear in mind that if it gets unused, and that lack of use is rationalized in any way by some form of "Well, I have to have MY say.....," then you might not be wrong in any real sense of the word, but has your say had any real positive impact in any other arena but your mind, and at that particular moment? Has publicly pitching the gripe done anything to get rid of what one is griping about? Prevent future possible events that may seem to require a public gripe? Gotten rid of the words/phrases/paragraph, bad info that prompted the public gripe in the first place?

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Seems like a lot of NOT, of late.

Food for thought: I know for a fact that I'm not seeing the instances of PMs to me or general Report button usage that I was last year. I can't speak for other mods, were I presumptive enough to do so; they can speak for themselves, if they're of a mind to do so. Is that me blaming the forum population for the current state of affairs? No, it's just an identifiable trend which seems pertinent to point out.

The mods and staff can't be in every subforum, much less every thread, so please help us by popping the Red Star Cluster to us. Not every instance of a Report will result in somebody getting their internetpenis smashed with an ice axe, as there's always some that are spawned by differing personalities and the like, but it guarantees a review and some sort of action, IF its warranted according to the rules of the forum AND the context of the topic and the tone.

More brain-food: you quote a troll/rude/uninformed/ignorant asshole/cell-phone-in-movie-theater-type, or some other form of oxygen thief as a means of directing your commentary to them, guess what...? You just made it so that not only do we maybe need to delete/edit the initial post, we have to choose whether or not to edit yours, because due to the Law of Unintended Consequences, you helped established a sort of micro-immortality for them that might be missed and yet further commented upon by somebody else that reads THAT and doesn't otherwise know it was adjudicated, thereby allowing the drama a greater half-life that it would otherwise have.....

I could do a whole buncha stream-of-consciousness run-on sentences, in the best tradition of Michael Herr, about that and other ripples in the pond, but would spare you the agony.

Nastygram emails and PMs have the advantage of not being public for all, but can ALSO be reported to mods/staff for review and action. NOT for mediation; the phone book has ads for counselors and lawyers. However, those that show the trend of using the forum as a medium for being a dickhole in any way WILL BE DEALT WITH....but not until we're made aware of them, whether by our own efforts, or those of the folks that have some form of self-assigned stake in keeping this little hunk-o-bandwidth the way that drew you to it in the first place.

The internet is readily summed up by Ben Afflec's description in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, but unfortunately there's little possibility of anyone being able to get money and a list with which to traverse the country and kick the dogshit out of everyone that said something you dislike on a forum like the protagonists of that cinematic masterpiece were able to. What you CAN do is use your access to some folks that have a palpable ability to have The Last Word.

Lord knows I enjoy finding mildly insulting imagery with which to replace some assclown's Starship-Troopers-inspired weapons expertise.

Instead of feeding the trolls.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnJxvb8pWDE

In case it needs to be repeated....I see the same things you guys are seeing, and am not in any way "blamestorming," but suggesting that some of the efforts to self-police might be made quicker and more lasting by rogering up to somebody that can respond to "GFY!" with....



EDIT: Sorry, Templar, didn't catch your work until after.....