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    Quote Originally Posted by bigghoss View Post
    I have a Springfield armory operator that came from the factory with an improperly tuned extractor and, I didn't notice it at first but the front sight was poorly installed and bent as a result. SA fixed it right up and paid shipping both ways without any fuss. after a little research I found that bad extractor adjustment from SA is not uncommon dating back to at least 2000 on some of the posts I saw. it seems their customer service and repair shop is much better than their quality control. also it's never been an issue but the angle of the ejector is not what many in the know have said is ideal.


    I have a Springfield Loaded model that I had the same problems with. I keep getting stovepipes and other FTE, I changed out the stock extractor and ejector for Wilson's and I haven't a problem since.

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    Definition of stupid is doing the same thing and expecting different results. I keep buying Colt's and expecting something good. Don't be stupid like I have been. A Wilson should probably fit the bill nicely.
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    Personally I would go with the Nighthawk but a Wilson would be just as good in my opinion. I prefer the not as tight slide to frame fit of the Nighthawk, I feel it doesn't hurt accuracy that much but it could help reliabilty a bit when dirty or under adverse conditions.

    That being said my next 1911 I will be building myself using a Caspian slide and frame with a clark 460 rowland kit.

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    Springfield Professional.

    From the 10-8 Performance article on "Choosing a 1911 for duty use" An article you should definitely read.
    Highlighted by me.

    "If you want to bridge the gap between a full blown hand built custom and a lower priced/entry level production 1911, the Springfield Professional is an excellent choice. I have seen a lot of these guns and have a few myself. Statistically, there are more of the Professional Models out in real street service than any other factory custom 1911, so the quirks are pretty well worked out. They have consistently improved since the original run of guns, and overall are very nicely done. They offer cleanly executed checkering (some of the best on a production type gun), a nice beavertail fit, a blended S&A mag well, premium grade components, real Novak sights with Trijicon inserts, and excellent accuracy from the match fit Nowlin barrel. These guns typically work very well right out of the box, though they should be monitored closely during their break in period. It is available in a standard dust cover format (PC9111) and with the shortened Operator light rail frame (PC9111LR). If you find one of these on the secondary market, it is preferable to pick a later production specimen that has the Trijicon sight inserts and pinned front sight. Very early (low three digit CRG 1xx serial numbers) guns had IWI sight inserts and no pins in the front sights. While these were good guns, the sight inserts do not wear very well and you will want to replace them with Trijicons. Each run of guns differs as to whether their ejectors are pinned or glued, but the Springfield Custom Shop will pin the ejector if you desire."

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    Question

    How do you guys think a wilson CQB compares to say a build from berryhill or a mars axiom? I'm planning a 1911 purchase and am strongly leaning towards the Wilson, but given the price want to make sure I consider other options before purchasing. Fwiw I called Springfield on Monday and they said lead time on a professional is 12-15 mos, that's the main thing holding me back there. Wilson quote me 20wks est and I would like to have it before the end of the year. Not sure what kind of time frame berryhill or mars are running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lebowski View Post
    How do you guys think a wilson CQB compares to say a build from berryhill or a mars axiom? I'm planning a 1911 purchase and am strongly leaning towards the Wilson, but given the price want to make sure I consider other options before purchasing. Fwiw I called Springfield on Monday and they said lead time on a professional is 12-15 mos, that's the main thing holding me back there. Wilson quote me 20wks est and I would like to have it before the end of the year. Not sure what kind of time frame berryhill or mars are running.
    Either one of those guys will build you a kick a** fighting gun. I selected MARS and his Thug package for my Colt; mainly because I am within driving distance and could meet him in person. Berryhill has a superb reputation; the one example of his work I was able to see in person(one of his Advanced Fighting Pistols) ran like a sewing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will488 View Post
    Myself and a few friends were looking to get a 1911 for a friend being deployed to an unspecified Middle Eastern country. We were looking at the Nighthawk Enforcer (with recon fame for the light rail), or GRP Recon. We aren’t set on the Nighthawk brand and I would love to get recommendations.
    Here are my two cents. I have had 2 Nighthawk Enforcers, one of which I have put through the paces for the last 3 years with no problems the other was a backup. I have been proactive and kept the maintenance up but other then that I have been happy with them. Only one of them has been back for any corrective issues and this was something that was not a real problem yet but something LAV recommended to me. It was taken care of promptly. There have been several times when my 1911 was one of the few to actually make it through a training class without malfunction.

    I agree that Wilson makes great pistols and I think you can not go wrong with a CQB. Do keep in mind most Wilsons CQB's new that I have seen start in the 2500-3k+ range. Still the build a great 1911's and if you can find a used CQB you could get something around the 2k mark.

    I recently sold my back up Enforcer to fund a SIG 552 purchase and I am not sure what 1911 I will replace it with either but I was considering a MARS THUG or Crucible.
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    Templer is right, if you go with a 1911 you need to get one that can be field stripped in any condition. That's the thing most people neglect to think about. A lot of 1911 get the accuracy from having a solid guide rod, which most of the time requires special tools or allen wrench looking things to disassemble for maintenance. I have own five different 1911s over the years. I am going to throw my opinion out there, because that is really what a lot of info on this site is, opinions. A 1911 can be a combat pistol with proper maintenance. It requires more maintenance by the user than other pistols like a Glock or HK in harsh environments. The technology is old, single action. One could argue that 1911s have been combat proven for 100 years, well yes. I feel like 1911s are a lot like a vintage Camaro, say a 1969. Everybody loves them, it is a true muscle car. However, the new Camaros are much more efficient and faster. The 1969 will get you where you want to go, but it is dated. I feel like the 1911 is more of a novelty now days. After all not many companies are making them true to original designs anyway. A lot offer alloys to lighten the weight of parts, which in turn weakens them. The 1911 can be very accurate, but it requires hand fitting the slide and frame. Most of your Wilson Combats and Nighthawks have this, however making a gun tighter will help it shoot tighter groups and be more accurate. With this you lose durability in harsh environments. I would suggest using the money to buy a newer type firearm, polymer based, more round capacity even with .45 acp. If you stay with the 1911 I would definitely test several rounds and see what it likes. 1911s can be picky about what they eat and cycle without jamming. I have seen high dollar custom 1911 break on the range, I have even had them break on me less than 250 rounds in to a new pistol. Be sure that he can carry a 1911, some units or groups depending on what your friend is in may not allow him to carry what he wants. I wish you luck in your quest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strider5.56 View Post
    Templer is right, if you go with a 1911 you need to get one that can be field stripped in any condition. That's the thing most people neglect to think about. A lot of 1911 get the accuracy from having a solid guide rod, which most of the time requires special tools or allen wrench looking things to disassemble for maintenance. I have own five different 1911s over the years. I am going to throw my opinion out there, because that is really what a lot of info on this site is, opinions. A 1911 can be a combat pistol with proper maintenance. It requires more maintenance by the user than other pistols like a Glock or HK in harsh environments. The technology is old, single action. One could argue that 1911s have been combat proven for 100 years, well yes. I feel like 1911s are a lot like a vintage Camaro, say a 1969. Everybody loves them, it is a true muscle car. However, the new Camaros are much more efficient and faster. The 1969 will get you where you want to go, but it is dated. I feel like the 1911 is more of a novelty now days. After all not many companies are making them true to original designs anyway. A lot offer alloys to lighten the weight of parts, which in turn weakens them. The 1911 can be very accurate, but it requires hand fitting the slide and frame. Most of your Wilson Combats and Nighthawks have this, however making a gun tighter will help it shoot tighter groups and be more accurate. With this you lose durability in harsh environments. I would suggest using the money to buy a newer type firearm, polymer based, more round capacity even with .45 acp. If you stay with the 1911 I would definitely test several rounds and see what it likes. 1911s can be picky about what they eat and cycle without jamming. I have seen high dollar custom 1911 break on the range, I have even had them break on me less than 250 rounds in to a new pistol. Be sure that he can carry a 1911, some units or groups depending on what your friend is in may not allow him to carry what he wants. I wish you luck in your quest.
    The guide rod has nothing to do with accuracy. The full length can be harder to take down if you don't know what your doing. I can use the bottom of my mag to field strip mine and if you don't have a mag then what good is the gun gonna do you?

    Slide to frame fit has a lot less to do with accuracy than most people think, IMO the bushing to slide and bushing to barrel fit has a lot more to do with accuarcy. As long as it doesn't rattle when you shake it, it will be plenty accurate.

    The new space age polymer guns can have their advantages but they will never have that trigger pull. The biggest "problem" with the 1911 design IMO is the internal extractor having to tune it/ replace it ever couple thousand rounds is not cool. S&W makes a very reliable external extractor that will last many more thousands of rounds in my experience.

    As for your comaro comparison, you said your self many of the 1911s being made today are a far cry from the original. If you took that 1969 camaro and upgraded the suspension and brakes, it wouldn't be far behind if behind at all when stacked against the new one, plus it will pull more tail then the new one.

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    Pull more tail? Probably, but the weight to power ratio sucks in the old ones, vs new vehicles. New ones can have less torque and still turn faster ETAs than the old, they are soo heavy. Yes barrel fit and bushing fit matter, but so does slide and frame fit. In my experience I found most 1911s especially the high dollar "factory customs" are very picky and require vast testing with certain rounds to ensure the reliablity that can be found in other much cheaper options. I won't lie, I hated Glocks, swore by HKs and 1911s for years. After carring Glocks, and some Sigs on duty, I found myself "retrained" and fumbling with a 1911 to flip the safety off when practincing quick response point shooting drills, some do not find this a problem, but I do. Glocks have a consistant trigger pull, so do 1911s. 1911s are easier to tune triggers. I find the limited mag capacity a handicap. The main thing is if you can shoot a 1911 better than any other design, great, get one, run with it. Any .45 with a steep feed ramp angle needs testing with ammo to ensure proper cycling. I do not like the new aluminum alloy lowers, I had two break on me. If its combat 1911, go steel. It is heavier, but it doesn't wear out as fast. Fastest wear and tear on any pistol I have seen has been the Sig 229 in .357 sig. Sig doesn't make them like they use to. I.E. West German 226.

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