knock it off guys. let's try to stick to answering the OP's question, please. thanks
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knock it off guys. let's try to stick to answering the OP's question, please. thanks
"you give peace a chance, I'll stay here and cover you, in case it doesn't work out"
I hate to interfere in the Wilson love fest but I have three Colts that have been done over by Robert Miller that I wouldn't give up for a Wilson (CQB or otherwise).
Now don't get all in my face about Wilson as they make an excellent pistol that I would not be ashamed to own but I buy nothing but Colts when it comes to 1911s.![]()
Bill Tidler Jr.
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...We have long maintained that the only accessories that a 1911 needs are a trigger you can manage, sights that you can see, and a dehorning job. That still goes.
~Jeff Cooper
Bob's worked on 3 of my pieces as well. He's a very talented gunsmith...I have three Colts that have been done over by Robert Miller that I wouldn't give up for a Wilson (CQB or otherwise).
Not at all. A Colt is very rarely the wrong choice; however, the problem is that stock Colts require some remedial action to reach this level of performance, which means that (a) the total investment will ultimately be on par with a Wilson class pistol, and (b) a good working relationship with a trusted gunsmith is required. All else being equal, this might serve to make the Colt an easy pick, but once you've reached this point, you also have to consider that your modified Colt will be disavowed by the factory should it ever require servicing, and your gunsmith may or may not still be available/alive/in the trade to deal with things. Wilson's, on the other hand, will service their guns, regardless of when a problem appears, what the problem might be, or who happens to own it at the time.
I love Colts. They are, and always will be, the benchmark 1911; that said, investing in a Hartford original is a much more personal process. It takes more work to get a Colt to the desired level, and it involves an added element of risk, depending upon who is doing the work. It is absolutely "worth it," but I'm simply saying that a modified Colt is not necessarily the weapon of choice for a situation like this one, where the gun is intended to serve the needs, purposes and tastes of another. The Wilson is an exemplary performer with solid backing that scores maximum points in the "meets all needs" category.
Make no mistake: a customized Colt (at least one) should be the crown jewel of every 1911 aficionados armamentarium; that said, it takes time to find the right base gun, develop a proper specification sheet, cultivate a relationship with a talented and trusted pistolsmith, and sink the requisite amount of treasure into the process. It is also a highly individual -- and, as stated, deeply personal -- enterprise, which is why I don't view this as the best-possible solution for the OP.
AC
I see SA Pro's pop up in the EE here as well as on 10-8 all the time, you may luck into one. Nothing against any other maker out there, but off the shelf and for the price their really isn't a comparison. Mars is another top contender but now you are talking custom build. From what I've read recently their may be a few Axioms pre-built waiting for homes. If it were me, and the SA wasn't available, I'd spend the money on a gun hand built by Steve before I spent the same or more on a production CQB. *shrug*
Another option that is rarely mentioned, is the Colt Special Combat Government (Carry) which, while around $1700, is a very viable option from the Custom Shop. The only thing it doesn't have is a checkered front strap and while I don't consider that a minus, a lot of people will. I only have one Colt with a checkered front strap and that is my "Wiley Clapp" LW Commander.
Link: SGC (Carry)
Novak night sights, S&A magwell, etc.
Info Link: Special Combat Government
These pistols are ready to go with great triggers and are hand-fitted. I have the hard chrome "Target" (adj. sights) version and it is one fine pistol that is equal to a Wilson CQB in my (never humble) opinion.![]()
Bill Tidler Jr.
**************
...We have long maintained that the only accessories that a 1911 needs are a trigger you can manage, sights that you can see, and a dehorning job. That still goes.
~Jeff Cooper
Bill Tidler Jr.
**************
...We have long maintained that the only accessories that a 1911 needs are a trigger you can manage, sights that you can see, and a dehorning job. That still goes.
~Jeff Cooper
Just to keep things in perspective here, I would not consider any box-stock Colt -- even if it arrives in a Custom Shop box -- to be comparable to even the most basic Wilson Combat 1911. It's simply not a fair fight.
AC
A SCG is not a "box stock" pistol. It is a modified 5" Government Model not just something put in a Custom Shop box. And I think it does compare to similarly equipped Wilsons.
I'm sure you know what they say about opinions and what they are like.
ETA: Anyone is welcome to come to Tipton IN and shoot my SCG.![]()
Last edited by wetidlerjr; 05-26-11 at 12:57.
Bill Tidler Jr.
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...We have long maintained that the only accessories that a 1911 needs are a trigger you can manage, sights that you can see, and a dehorning job. That still goes.
~Jeff Cooper
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