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    Quote Originally Posted by theJanitor View Post
    As I am a diehard Colt man, this pains me to say, but I agree with AC on this one. Maybe there are superlative examples of the special combats around, but the ones that i've handled were not extremely special. You must have handled the wrong ones.
    ...AC's early post was spot on, regarding high end, semi-custom 1911's and the wilson's will not disappoint. For me, at that kind of scratch, I would find a used S70 colt, and send it off to a smith for a basic reliability package, dovetail front sight, harrison retro rear sight, and a dehorn/refinish. the bill will come out much less than $2k, and will be a special pistol. I already did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lebowski View Post
    Do you guys think the 3-3.5 # trigger pull on a CQB is light for a defensive gun? Seems most of the others I've looked at are more like 4-4.5.
    It is too light. I like mine at 4.5#.
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    1911



    Saving this 33 yr old Colt MARK IV series 70 1911 for a smith to work on, otherwise it's my HK45 right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmc0929 View Post
    No votes for a SA Pro?
    I'd vote for the pro, but finding one is very difficult. And it's going to $2,700 out the door now a days.

    On trigger pull, 3.5 or 4.5 lb? Depends what you train with. I feel a good 4.5 is perfect on 1911's. I know some of mine lighter, but I have a crisp 4.0 pounder. It's hard , if not impossible, to notice running and gunning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSHNT2015 View Post

    Saving this 33 yr old Colt MARK IV series 70 1911 for a smith to work on, otherwise it's my HK45 right now.
    You better send that to me so I can make sure it is safe to have it modified by a 'smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will488 View Post
    Thats the plan, but if the custom shop I order it from is 20 weeks out i need to order it now.

    I’m still leaning towards the Nighthawk enforcer. Buying from Nighthawk, being the “smaller” company, appeals to the small business owner in me. Also, from what I’ve read Wilson and Nighthawk build some of the best pistols around, and either one we choose, he is getting a great 1911.
    I really do not think you will be dissappointed with the enforcer model. Be sure that you go through George at gunslingers. He specializes in high end 1911's and generally can give you a better deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmax View Post
    I really do not think you will be dissappointed with the enforcer model. Be sure that you go through George at gunslingers. He specializes in high end 1911's and generally can give you a better deal.
    Thanks for the advice.

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    since this gun will not be deployed (don't know of any private firm that allows private guns in theater and gen order number one prohibits them for military personnel) I'd also consider a les baer- a good bit less expensive than nighthawk or wilson but mine has been 100% from day one no matter what mag or ammo is used- can't even get the thing to choke if I try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAVDOC View Post
    since this gun will not be deployed (don't know of any private firm that allows private guns in theater and gen order number one prohibits them for military personnel)
    Depends on the unit. There have been privately owned guns deployed when required. A friend of mine in the Navy deployed with a sniper rifle he had custom built. He racked up over 80 kills with it, and I bought it from him last year.



    I suspect things are a bit tighter these days with all units, but it has been done in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will488 View Post
    Myself and a few friends were looking to get a 1911 for a friend being deployed to an unspecified Middle Eastern country. We were looking at the Nighthawk Enforcer (with recon fame for the light rail), or GRP Recon. We aren’t set on the Nighthawk brand and I would love to get recommendations.
    He may be better served with the Trident by Cylinder & Slide

    http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index....c1j236dc7oh373

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    Trident

    A Complete 1911

    The Trident 1911 pistol was developed by Bill Laughridge and a career Operator. The need for a pistol that will function under all types of field conditions was realized after the Operator saw all of the various makes of tactical pistols “choke” in real world situations and conditions. Bill’s 30+ years experience in building the 1911 pistol and the 20+ years of real world tactical experience of a career Operator resulted in the development and production of the Trident 1911 Pistol.

    The Trident is completely hand fitted and has only the essential, battle tested features needed on the 1911 platform to provide a totally reliable close quarter’s combat weapon. You will not find many of the “Must Have” features found on tactical 1911 pistols designed for urban street use. We have found that many of these “Must Have” features detract from the reliability and ergonomics needed in a 1911 pistol that is designed to function flawlessly in the world’s most hostile environments.

    The Trident has been coated with the Fail Zero finish that allows the pistol to operate without lubrication. The absence of lubricant keeps the pistol from attracting “moon dust” and seizing up in desert operations. The Fail Zero finish also provides unequalled rust protection and allows the pistol to function reliably during extended fresh or salt water operations. This finish does not allow carbon residue to stick to the surface so cleaning the pistol is quick and easy in a field environment.

    For those who do not need the added protection of the Fail Zero finish the Trident is available with the traditional parkerized finish with a corresponding reduction in price. The parkerized pistol does require proper lubrication.

    The Trident is test fired at 15 yards after the initial build for function and zeroing of the sights. The front sight is sent out for the tritium insert with white ring and the pistol is sent to Fail Zero for the finish or parkerized in house. After the pistol has had the finish applied, refitted as needed, and the front sight is re-installed the pistol is test fired a second time for a final function check and to recheck the zero of the sights. Both 7 round magazines are fully loaded and fired twice during both test firings. The minimum number of rounds fired during both test firings is 56 rounds. A further 200 rounds must be fired by the purchaser to completely break in the pistol.



    Trident Build Features

    Springfield 1911A1 45 ACP Pistol

    We have found that the Springfield 1911A1 45 ACP Parkerized pistol is the finest basic 1911 pistol platform on the market. We use this pistol as our platform to build on because of the quality and to keep the final costs down.

    Slide

    Complete internal deburring, polishing and radiusing of critical working surfaces, front cocking serrations for safe press check, checked for proper heat treatment

    Barrel: Springfield 1911A1 45 ACP

    This barrel has proven to provide 1.5”-1.75” accuracy at 25 yards when fitted with a proper bushing and link, properly throated, 11 degree crown, checked for proper heat treatment

    Bushing:

    The barrel bushing is fitted finger tight to the slide for a no tool take down and given enough clearance to the barrel to provide the accuracy without sacrificing reliability, checked for proper heat treatment

    Sights:

    Heinie “Ledge” rear sight with cocking ledge, Cylinder& Slide Strong Sight dovetail front sight with supported blade pinned to slide. The C&S Strong Sight front sight with supported blade greatly reduces the possibility of the front sight blade breaking off during building clearing. Trijcon tritium insert with white ring installed in the front sight for night operations.

    Extractor:

    C&S cnc machined extractor properly heat treated, radiused, and tensioned, checked for proper heat treatment

    Ejection Port:

    Lowered, beveled, bullet nose relief for safe ejection of live cartridges during clearing.

    Recoil Spring System:

    Standard GI recoil spring guide, C&S GI style recoil spring plug with retaining tab, and Wolff 18 lb. recoil spring. This system allows takedown without tools in the field.

    Frame:

    Complete internal deburring, polishing and radiusing of critical working surfaces, machine stippled front strap for best grip, barrel feed ramp highly polished, checked for proper heat treatment

    Magazine Well:

    Beveled for speed reloading

    Grip Safety:

    S&A beavertail with palm swell

    Ejector:

    C&S Extended Ejector tuned to optimize ejection of the empty case

    Plunger Tube:

    Checked for alignment and double staked for retention

    Grip Screw Bushings:

    Checked for tightness and staked for retention

    Slide Stop:

    C&S Forged and cnc machined to special shape for gloved use, fitted for proper function, checked for proper heat treatment

    Magazine Catch:

    Checked for function, Wolff extra power magazine catch spring installed, checked for proper heat treatment

    Mainspring Housing:

    Flat with integral lanyard retainer, machine stippled for best grip

    Trigger:

    C&S medium length alloy shoe with ss bow, internal fixed over travel stop, fitted to reduce vertical play

    Fire Control:

    C&S 24/7/365 cnc machined hammer, sear, disconnector, checked for proper heat treatment, trigger pull set at 4.5-5 lb. , 23 lb Wolff hammer spring, Wolff standard sear spring

    Grips:

    C&S Green/Black G10 with Rhino Hide texture, stock slotted grip screws

    Magazines, 2ea.:

    C&S Extreme Duty 7 round with flat follower and Pachmayr bumper pad

    Exterior edges and corners:

    Medium carry bevel of all external edges and corners

    Finish:

    Fail Zero Nickel Boron or Grey/Black Parkerize

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