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Thread: Shooting a SPR(18" SS) & CQB (10.5" CL) at a new CMP steel target: captured in HD

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    Boss Hog - all my Steel targets from MGM Targets ALL have the same thing from edge hits, and MGM is probably THE top of the line Steel Targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake'sDad View Post
    Thanks for the interesting stuff Trident, and the heads up on the target. Think I'll pick one up!
    What he said.
    Thanks again -- and please stick around.
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    I almost don't want to say anything, for fear that my input from my own career experiences or my constructive criticism might be taken as an attack on the OP or the topic itself. So much so that I almost didn't post this. While I don't pat anyone on the butt just because, or blow smoke up their ass, I try not to be an ass just because. Anyway, since I do my own video thing, I know the effort to set up stuff, film it and post it, so I give credit there. Even though most of my vids are pistol and rifle CQB stuff, my real bread and butter and my main working background is long range related stuff so here goes....

    I became a huge believer in shorter barrels about 12 years ago, when I started running a primary bolt action Rem 700 .308 based rifle (working rifle) with a barrel length of 18.5". You should have seen the looks of the naysayers at that time frame. On the range and out in the field quickly shut anyone up. Easily good for hits out to and beyond 1000+. Again not speaking terminal ballistics but being able to achieve consistent hits. However the greatest advantage to the shorter barrels is not so much the efficacy of the terminal ballistics on hard or soft targets, but the ease of which we can manipulate that rifle under field conditions. Stalking, getting into improvised positions or just flat out humping with a smaller / lighter rifle is a huge bonus and this IMO is the biggest benefit. This same benefit also translates into the AR/M4 platform IMO.

    Having said that, I really wouldn't consider 240 yards on 12x24 steel with this particular platform to be any type of range where you might notice any real differences. Optics, rate of fire, weapon accuracy, shooter skill play a role but it is hard to put a finger on it at this distance. Even an iron sighted or red dot mounted sight on a USGI equipped rifle will give the same results. So as has been mentioned you will see more of a difference when you push distances beyond 450 - 500 yards and I am sure you plan on getting out there. Again you will start to get into terminal ballistics differences mostly on hard objects as opposed to soft. I have shot very effectively with an 18" AR .223 out to 920 yards on 18" x 30" steel to the point where it was almost routine. At these distances putting 2 rounds in the air at the same time with both being hits was pretty cool. Try it out. Not sure what the terminal ballistics out of that set up / bullet combo would be exactly but I still wouldn't want to get hit by one.

    While your not discovering anything new in the realm of distance shooting, it is a VERY good thing for a shooter to not only come to this realization be it on their own or being taught, but more importantly that you are actually going out and shooting it for yourself and not just theorizing about it on paper or online. In any event, if you stay or not is up to you and if I am coming off as negative I will gladly stay away from any further topics by the OP.

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    Got my long range backstop and steel target done.

    The rifle. Noveske 16" Recce LoPro with Leupold 1.5x5 Mk 4


    The rifle and distance. 440 yds by Garmin GPS





    The target after being hammered with 55gr FMJ PPU M193


    I've never shot steel at this range. Didn't know if I'd hear it or not with hearing protection on but I did. There was a second between the shot and the impact.

    Surf. I also thought about having two shots in the air at the same time. Gonna try it for sure.
    Scoby


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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Only little flaw, a shot took a small chip off the edge but from my understanding any high quality AR500 plate will do the same.
    Water jet cut plates tend to have less damages around the edges.

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    Try some 69's next time, they make a great smack on steel.

    Fun vids, keep up the good work !!

    Are those the 2/3 IDPA targets?? 80 bucks + shipping.

    Crap, just ordered 4................
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    Scoby, that is a beautiful range you got there. I would love to have access to something like that. It's hard to find 100 flat yards where I live.

    Oh, ver nice gun also

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    Damn 600yrds. I'd love to get a chance to shoot that far.

    In the last part of the vid it looks like everytime you hit the steel there's some bullet fragments ricocheting into the pond. Both vids you posted captured some neat stuff.

    Glad to see you back!!!

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    600 yds is a long frickin ways. Good shooting Trident.
    Scoby


    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764

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