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    Those are very good upgrades IG. especially the ambi controls, flared magwell and charging handle. Cheap, simple and useful.

    I like the others too but I wonder if the cost would

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    Since 14.5 and 12.5" are so close on the scale, it wouldn't be worthwhile. However, the longer 18" SPR type would.

    I suppose the Elcan would work, but they are kind of bulky and heavy.

    The cost could be offset by my NFA plan. "The 2014 Military Weapons Upgrade and NFA Restoration Act".

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    Agreed with most.

    However:

    Instead of two uppers, wouldn't one upper receiver with a variable sight be better, more universal, and more economic?

    Like 12.5'', and 14.5'', with a Elcan made by a company that doesn't suck, like Trijicon, or a Short Dot contract.

    Also: Scrap the A2 grip, and make Tango Downs the standard issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Since 14.5 and 12.5" are so close on the scale, it wouldn't be worthwhile. However, the longer 18" SPR type would.

    I suppose the Elcan would work, but they are kind of bulky and heavy.

    The cost could be offset by my NFA plan. "The 2014 Military Weapons Upgrade and NFA Restoration Act".
    I can see where you're coming from, but if a 10.5'' gun can make shots out to 600m then the only thing the 18'' SPR gun could do better is accuracy.

    12.5'', or 14.5'' with magnification could do the exact same thing. Instead of changing equipment, I'd answer that problem with training.

    Also, I'd love to know what your NFA plan is.
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    It's also about velocity as well. The SPR uppers would be used for example when someone is deployed to Afghanistan as an example and is sitting in a COB/ FOB or acting a DDM/SDM/Sniper whatever.

    The shorter configurations would be used when doing urban stuff, inside vehicles, etc...

    Of course in a perfect world they would also have proper ammo.

    The NFA Plan is real simple and I mentioned it before.

    If we end up with a new service weapon or if they phase out certain models, whatever then I propose that all surplus M4's, M16's, etc... as they begin to be phased out be turned over to the CMP and be resold to the civilian populace. You would have to follow the same current NFA purchasing guidelines.

    The money generated would go into a special fund that would be used to offset any future costs for those new weapons or whatever and the rest would go to the CMP.

    Veterans and active duty personnel would get first dibs on weapons and there would be a limit of 3 per person so as to prevent unscrupulous assholes from screwing people. The prices would be stupidly high like current M16 prices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    I can see where you're coming from, but if a 10.5'' gun can make shots out to 600m then the only thing the 18'' SPR gun could do better is accuracy.

    12.5'', or 14.5'' with magnification could do the exact same thing. Instead of changing equipment, I'd answer that problem with training.

    Also, I'd love to know what your NFA plan is.



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    Modern anti corrosion finish on the steel parts maybe. Rust isn't much of an issue on a properly maintained rifle, but still. You still have to make some form of accommodation for the lowest common denominator. Which along with cost, could be viewed as a driving factor behind the current design. Simple, effective and hard to dick up. But that said, it would be beneficial for all soldiers to be comfortable with their weapon from the get go. Ambi controls for sure. The current platform can be trained around for southpaws. But I don't think it should have to. Current ambi lowers accommodate, there's no reason it shouldn't be standard.
    A non reciprocating side charging handle would be nice if possible. Though I dont know, off hand how it could be done without opening the receiver more to the elements.
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    IMHO I tend to prefer and seem to be more effective with the current charging handle location given I'm using a BCM Gunfighter or tac latch. I have no issues with bringing my support hand back and charging while the weapon is still shouldered. It's very fast.

    It could just be that I'm used to it but it's still much more comfy for me compared to the 55x/AK design where I have to use my grip hand or swipe my support hand over the top. Ymmv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyboy333 View Post
    IMHO I tend to prefer and seem to be more effective with the current charging handle location given I'm using a BCM Gunfighter or tac latch. I have no issues with bringing my support hand back and charging while the weapon is still shouldered. It's very fast.

    It could just be that I'm used to it but it's still much more comfy for me compared to the 55x/AK design where I have to use my grip hand or swipe my support hand over the top. Ymmv
    Oh definitely. It's much more user friendly than the AK. But if it were reversible, side mounted and non reciprocating, you would not have to break your face from the stock or sights . This is all based on my experience with it and remembered back to the first time I picked one up and thinking, "well why'd they do that?". I feel the current set up is the best compromise between simplicity, durability and cost. Breaking the firing position is merely an inconvenience IMHO. But if it can be done better, it probably should be. Though, like i said, i dont know how you would. And yes. The mod4 gunfighter is a must have on any AR, In my humble opinion. I love it.
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    Yeah those gunfighters are a great product. I had to order mine before ever seeing/feeling one in person so I ordered the mod3 which I really like but I think the mod4 woulda been a little bit nicer. The mod4 was the size I originally wanted but I just didn't know it since I didn't have any references.

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    The Mod4 is really another one of those parts I feel should be standard.
    I cant think of any other thing I've hung on my AR that I flat out loved.
    To be fair.. I haven't messed with any of the fancy shmancy triggers out there though... lol.

    BAD Levers are a growing trend. I wonder if it would be aventagious to incorporate some form of battery device. Like the Masada/ACR's at the bottom front of the trigger guard. Quicker, ambi, probably more complicated though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Let's also assume DI as well. If someone wants to talk ideal piston gun then start another thread.
    As far as I am concerned you started and ended the conversation in your first post. Without a major mechanical design change it is not evolved enough to be considered next generation in my eyes/opinion. Anything else is ancillary in nature and is not a true change to the rifle. JMHO not trying to stir shit.

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