And always remember; concept over technique.
It ain't dancin' we're teachin', it's fightin', no judges to tell me if my heel didn't come off the floor enough during my pirouette. It's about fighting and winning, not adherence to tradition.
Out of curisosity...
From the way it was described above (I haven't seen the video), the method is:
- Seek cover
- take a knee
- eject partial magazine to deck
- insert fresh magazine
- retrieve partial magazine from deck provided there is an opportunity to do so
If that is correct, my question is, what do you do with the partial magazine once it's retrieved. you mentioned you don't use a dump pouch, and you "used to stick my empty mags into a cargo or empty pocket", but you don't make mention of what you do with partials?
if I'm misunderstanding then my appologies, and if this is made clear in the video then double apologies. Just trying to understand a technique that is heretofore counter to my prior instruction.
thanks in advance.
In which case the question would become "how do you prove it to them?" Do you make use of a timer and have them perform various methods of changing out a partial magazine and record the split times as proof?
We did this several years ago with the RWR vs. TL and found the RWR provided the fastest split times provided the magazine was stowed prior to firing in the TL. We never tried it Howe's way although the question would be do you fire before or after the partial is retrieved and stowed? It seems obvious to me that if the round is fired before retrieval it would be the fastest method, if after stowage it would be the slowest.
Last edited by rob_s; 07-29-11 at 07:37.
Is it?
You've decided that it's important to retain the magazine, for whatever reason. Would it not be best to be able to do so in the least amount of time possible?
It appears to me that Howe's technique minimizes the importance of the partial magazine in favor of getting the gun topped up most quickly, and only allows for retrieval of the magazine if there is time.
I'm not critiquing here, just mulling things over and hoping to fuel the discussion.
Rob,
You can fire anytime in the sequence as your hands are back on the weapon the fastest.
Bring a full mag out next to the mag well.
Eject the partial mag and push pull the new/full mag.
Check your battlefield (this means look for bad guys to shoot).
Press check and close your dust cover.
Check your battlefield.
Recover and stow your partial mag.
Check your battlefield.
What to do with a partial mag? Use them last if in dire need.
If you need full mags, get them from the vehicle you came in on as you should have pre-staged ammo.
If it gets really bad, strip the dead and wounded of their ammo. They don't need it. If your officers are on a radio calling for FS, use theirs. If someone is mentally out of the game and fetal, take theirs. If men are not willing to fight, they become my ammo bearers....
Finally, dead bad guys brings guns and ammo to the fight, use theirs if you have to....
Paul
Thanks Paul, appreciate the response.
Are you still travelling at all and/or working with Grey Group? I'm working with them to bring some of "their" instructors down to Florida and I'd love to get you down here next year if we can work it out.
I agree it does minimize magazine retention, but from a slow learner's perspective (my perspective) taking one problem at a time, my main problem is my rifle is low on ammo and getting it reloaded is paramount.
Adding any other steps to getting that rifle fully loaded may worsen my situation. If I tac reload as described I am sure my mag is seated (push/pull), but I personally can't do this very well with two magazines in my hand.
Rob,
Thanks and I am trying to cut back my trips and do more classes at my place. I have all my live fire lanes set up and I don't have to reinvent the wheel with each new range I come to.
As for travel, I have seen enough hotel rooms in my life. Grey Group looks like they are keeping busy which is a good thing in these economic times.
Paul
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