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Thread: REVIEW: Griffin Armament M4-SD Tactical Compensator

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    Please include that disclaimer in your signature line. But, do not link to your website. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Please include that disclaimer in your signature line. But, do not link to your website. Thanks.
    No problem. How's that?
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    Great review! It's always good to have someone with LE and a competitive shooting background give their perspective. You guys use your gear for business and pleasure.

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    Welcome to the two new board members who came here to review/ recommend this product.
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    Board policy mandates I state that I shoot for BCM. I have also done work for 200 or so manufacturers within the firearm community. I am prior service, a full time LEO, firearm instructor, armorer, TL, martial arts instructor, and all around good guy.

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    Griffin Armament - I would be very surprised if nobody here shared my sentiments:

    I can't help but feel that you studied a Battlecomp, and asked yourself how can we make the same thing, but different enough to not APPEAR like we are trying to make the same exact thing.

    What is improved on your design over the BC besides it's theoretical strength (which to me, is like selling a hair brush that is 400% stronger)? Lets acknowledge the elephant in the room, did you simply feel you could beat Battlecomp's price on their own design? That would be a slippery slope...Battlecomp has a $150 product available when KAC's $500 inconel product wasn't even obtainable. Their design and machining process is significantly different than KAC's. Battlecomp's product has the ports at the 12 o'clock position that redirect gasses to fight muzzle rise as well as recoil, something the Levang comp design lacks. It appears your product was made to simply under cut a $150 item by a lousy $20 with a minimal design change that improve what? How would you feel if your designs were produced by a Chinese company for $100?

    I wouldn't consider myself blindly brand loyal, but I recognize good customer service. Battlecomp has had a presence here on the board as well as having been receptive to the forum's input and suggestions. I concede: "There is more than one way to skin a cat", and yet still only so many ways to skin a cat. I also know that competition is good for the consumer as it drives pricing down. While I keep those thoughts in mind, perhaps you can better explain your product and your intentions when you designed it? What does it do better than existing products that look remarkably similar?
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    I can't help but feel that someone looked at Battlecomp, and said how can we make the same thing, but different enough to not APPEAR like we are trying to make the same exact thing.

    What is improved on your design over the BC besides it's theoretical strength (which to me, is like selling a hair brush that is 400% stronger)? Lets acknowledge the elephant in the room, did you simply feel you could beat Battlecomp's price on their own design?
    It sure appears that this is the case. They go out of their way to compare themselves to BCE and no one else.

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    I have to agree 100%. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. Having actually shot the Battle Comp I think it's a great idea and it works.

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    Griffin Armament - I would be very surprised if nobody here shared my sentiments:

    I can't help but feel that you studied a Battlecomp, and asked yourself how can we make the same thing, but different enough to not APPEAR like we are trying to make the same exact thing.

    What is improved on your design over the BC besides it's theoretical strength (which to me, is like selling a hair brush that is 400% stronger)? Lets acknowledge the elephant in the room, did you simply feel you could beat Battlecomp's price on their own design? That would be a slippery slope...Battlecomp has a $150 product available when KAC's $500 inconel product wasn't even obtainable. Their design and machining process is significantly different than KAC's. Battlecomp's product has the ports at the 12 o'clock position that redirect gasses to fight muzzle rise as well as recoil, something the Levang comp design lacks. It appears your product was made to simply under cut a $150 item by a lousy $20 with a minimal design change that improve what? How would you feel if your designs were produced by a Chinese company for $100?

    I wouldn't consider myself blindly brand loyal, but I recognize good customer service. Battlecomp has had a presence here on the board as well as having been receptive to the forum's input and suggestions. I concede: "There is more than one way to skin a cat", and yet still only so many ways to skin a cat. I also know that competition is good for the consumer as it drives pricing down. While I keep those thoughts in mind, perhaps you can better explain your product and your intentions when you designed it? What does it do better than existing products that look remarkably similar?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ClosetCaseNerd View Post
    I can't help but feel that you studied a Battlecomp, and asked yourself how can we make the same thing, but different enough to not APPEAR like we are trying to make the same exact thing.

    What is improved on your design over the BC besides it's theoretical strength (which to me, is like selling a hair brush that is 400% stronger)? Lets acknowledge the elephant in the room, did you simply feel you could beat Battlecomp's price on their own design? That would be a slippery slope...Battlecomp has a $150 product available when KAC's $500 inconel product wasn't even obtainable. Their design and machining process is significantly different than KAC's. Battlecomp's product has the ports at the 12 o'clock position that redirect gasses to fight muzzle rise as well as recoil, something the Levang comp design lacks. It appears your product was made to simply under cut a $150 item by a lousy $20 with a minimal design change that improve what? How would you feel if your designs were produced by a Chinese company for $100?
    Agreed, I'm looking forward to a reply on this comment.

    This thread isn't about customer service, but it is nice when the products you use are backed up with the manufacturers/owners actually taking the time to reply to questions on an open forum. Maybe it's just me, but it leaves a weird taste in my mouth when someone comes out of (seemingly) nowhere and starts advertising on the forums.
    I hope for the sake of Griffin Armament, that this isn't what it appears to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have to agree 100%. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. Having actually shot the Battle Comp I think it's a great idea and it works.
    I disagree. The post you quote rationalizes BC using an "inspired design", but then is rather hostile to GA for likely doing the same thing. If "prior art" is good for the goose, why not the gander?

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    I should've added that I have absolutely no affiliation with either Griffin or JoeBob. I understand that I'm pretty new and have made no post prior to this. I just haven't felt a need to post since Ive joined. If you google my SN, you will find that I'm from Oklahoma, frequent a local OK gun forum and am a member at numerous gun forums, all having an extremely low post count, other then from that local OK site.

    I simply made a promise to my friend Jesse that I would test and review the product, wether it good or bad. Jesse is a competitive shooter, in USPSA, 3 gun, etc., and is just a busy man. I have been looking at BC and even have a buddy who is sponsored by them, but haven't had a chance to test out their product. I mean no disrespect to any other comp manufacturer by making this thread.

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