I'll probably get one of these since I like the 45 degree throw on the SCAR.
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I'll probably get one of these since I like the 45 degree throw on the SCAR.
There were many suggestions as to how we can sell it without the stainless steel pin, many of which required direct action from the customers, for instance, putting a high strength metal template on the receiver, painting the 45 degree indicator if we made levers with more than one indicator groove, etc. All these could work, except we can't dictate what the customers must do once they receive it, for it is now their property, and free to do what they wish with it.
Between modifying the selector and the receiver, it's easier to change the selector, not to mention few folks are willing to permanently mod their receiver, and that we can't make them do it lol
I know of couple of a customer that made a receiver with the cut on the left side and proper Fire engraving on his receiver, and another that milled the cut on the receiver, for the 45 degree selector to work without modifying the selector itself. If you don't mind a fun weekend project, this can be fun. Me, I'd just buy a 45/90 degree compatible receiver![]()
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Forward Controls Design
Simplicity is the sign of truth
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Last edited by ALCOAR; 07-15-11 at 20:08.
I received my 45 degree levers right after this thread opened. I knocked off the pin with a leatherman file in about 2 minutes while I BS'd with a friend on the phone. Dropped right into an LMT lower with good fit. I also used the included detent, figured that it came with the unit, why not?
I got mine with 2 short levers, as recommended by the manufacturer. Mine also came with a standard length lever as part of the "1 free lever" deal. I'm trying to figure out a use for that extra lever, because as it is I think that the 2 short levers setup is the best possible for ambidexterous use.
I normally use MIAD grips, with the slim backstrap, as it gives me the best compromise in hand position between thumb on safety and trigger access. With the 45 lever installed my thumb easily reaches the lever, but the firing side lever tends to hit the index finger knuckle of the firing hand as it is swept to fire. So I am going to have to switch backstraps to repositon my hand. At first I was contemplating going to two thin levers, but moving my hand a little rearward will both free my knuckle and put my trigger finger in a better position, so it's win-win.
More efficient throw, more comfortable hand position, better trigger finger placement; what's not to like?
BTW- I purchased the unit at full price, I have no affiliation with BAD, and have nothing to gain by recommending their product. I have less than 300 rounds through the gun with the 45 levers installed, but I don't think that high round-count is necessary for the feel of the item to be discussed if one already has extensive experience on the AR and other similar application platforms.
FTS, run the gun a bit and switch back to a standard lever. See how that feels. My opinion is that the standard lever becomes unnatural.
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Must resist and just buy more ammo......
I've been running one of the pre-production prototypes since July or August of last year and it has been great. I've found the lever easy to maneuver to get the rifle to fire and I've found the right side lever's short throw keeps my trigger finger (right-handed shooter) from inadvertently getting in the way as it sometimes can on a traditional ambi selector.
As for flipping the lever from SAFE to SEMI, I don't really notice much of a difference between this and a standard selector. Best thing about the new 45-degree throw, in my mind, is the speed and ease at which the lever can be put back on SAFE. Just a slight flick of the thumb and it's back in the SAFE position with little or no change in firing grip, etc.
Good stuff, to be sure!
Last edited by Tokarev; 06-20-11 at 20:26.
I like two short levers as a concept, as it's the same whether I'm shooting from the right shoulder or left. In practice, my preference is the standard lever on the thumb side. The short lever is fast, especially when used in conjunction with a short throw selector. But more force is required, where the opposite is true with a longer lever.
I've started to include a standard lever with the 45 degree selector when it's ordered without one. The short throw selector comes with only two levers, so the third levers y'all are getting can be considered SWAG
For us guys with big hands, the best thing about it is it can be put back on Safe without shifting the grips. For guys with smaller hands, and this applies to anyone (especially women and young shooters), the accessibility of the 45 degree selector for shooters with smaller hands is often overlooked (by guys like us with big hands)
Roger Wang
Forward Controls Design
Simplicity is the sign of truth
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