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Thread: Geissele's new Super 2 Stage trigger (S2S).....

  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underwhere View Post
    I'm confused. Do you work for them?

    I uninstalled, inspected, lubed and reinstalled. Still the same. I'm going to dry fire some more to see if it alleviates it.

    And yes I tried videotaping and I think I can maybe pick up the slightest bit of creep on it.

    Not a huge issue. If anything I'll contact Geissele and see what they say.

    Here's a video showing my normal trigger first and then the one with creep second. I tried to go as light as possible on the trigger to display the creep. Ignore my trigger finger position. Was trying to get as much of the trigger as possible displayed in the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L1LmXpgEAo
    I'm not Trident but I can tell you that I have met the guys from Geissele and they stand behind their product 110%. Give them a call and I am sure they will make good on it. I live about 30 minutes from them and they offered me a tour and I am going to take them up on it in the winter. They are really down to earth guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underwhere View Post
    I'm confused. Do you work for them?

    I uninstalled, inspected, lubed and reinstalled. Still the same. I'm going to dry fire some more to see if it alleviates it.

    And yes I tried videotaping and I think I can maybe pick up the slightest bit of creep on it.

    Not a huge issue. If anything I'll contact Geissele and see what they say.

    Here's a video showing my normal trigger first and then the one with creep second. I tried to go as light as possible on the trigger to display the creep. Ignore my trigger finger position. Was trying to get as much of the trigger as possible displayed in the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L1LmXpgEAo

    Tried the link and "sorry not available".

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    I obviously don't work for them nor do I receive anything from them for my opinion and review of their triggers besides a free trigger or two...as stated at the very beginning of this thread.

    I just actually care and you have to understand that GA's email or phone has been on I'm sure this whole time, however you have chosen to use this thread to try and figure out your issues w. that one trigger...thereby I tried to offer my help.

    Hope you get squared away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I obviously don't work for them nor do I receive anything from them for my opinion and review of their triggers besides a free trigger or two...as stated at the very beginning of this thread.

    I just actually care and you have to understand that GA's email or phone has been on I'm sure this whole time, however you have chosen to use this thread to try and figure out your issues w. that one trigger...thereby I tried to offer my help.

    Hope you get squared away.
    I received and installed these triggers on a Friday afternoon after business hours. I don't want to burden GA with over-the-weekend stuff for a shooter that will take more than 2 weeks to find the time to shoot his rifle.

    I posted in this thread because it was somewhat of a trigger review and I wanted to offer my experiences on the 3 units I received.

    I'm going to follow up with GA tomorrow and see what they say.

    I'm fixing the video now.

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    Here is the video. Should be working now.

    Excuse the poor quality and movement. I was pulling the trigger and holding the camera at the same time.

    First rifle is the S2S which is great. The second rifle which I fire twice shows that once the first stage has been taken up there is a noticeable movement before the break. The last attempt is probably the clearest example of the creep I'm experiencing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M33XF4ZkIL4
    Last edited by Underwhere; 07-24-11 at 17:32.

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    I thought you said you couldn't even detect creep in a video....

    I agree your second trigger clearly has an unacceptable amt. of creep and no doubt about it, GA will take care of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I thought you said you couldn't even detect creep in a video....
    Yup you were right about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    The two stage trigger was developed to reduce unintentional discharges from the rough handling infantry rifles receive on the battlefield. When a rifle is jarred, it can cause the sear to bounce, releasing the hammer or striker as the distance needed to release the sear is very short.

    A two stage trigger prevents the sear from being released if it bounces when the rifle is jarred. Other trigger features to prevent sear release when the rifle is jarred is a heavy trigger pull and a long sear engagement. Many military triggers use the two stage trigger design, heavy pull and a long sear engagement. FALs, for example, are notorious for heavy, two stage triggers with lots of creep, breaking around 8-12 lbs.
    While this may be valid for other systems, the single stage trigger is the standard for the AR family. 2-stage triggers applicable are designed for precision applications, or another specialized use.
    If you are saying that 2-stage triggers are a method to achieve a lighter/smoother trigger safely, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    While this may be valid for other systems, the single stage trigger is the standard for the AR family...
    Yes, this I knew. After dealing with other military rifles, I was surprised to find the AR had a single stage trigger.

    If you are saying that 2-stage triggers are a method to achieve a lighter/smoother trigger safely, I agree.
    Yes. I believe this is why Geiselle used a two stage design with a long reset
    Last edited by MistWolf; 07-24-11 at 23:34.
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    I spoke to a tech Geissele today. Nice guy and was explaining how the S2S might have a tiny bit of creep in some cases...that it's more of a mass produced trigger and that may be what you get. He offered for me to send the trigger back to them and they will inspect it to see if it out of spec.

    He also suggested trying the trigger in a different lower because perhaps the lower is out of spec. I'm having my brother do that as I'm away on business.

    Update to follow.

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