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Thread: Geissele's new Super 2 Stage trigger (S2S).....

  1. #81
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    I'm torn...

    On one hand I have used 3 S2S's that were nothing short of perfect.

    On the other hand I saw your documented case of creep and then hearing you say that GA said a certain amt. of creep is acceptable in some cases is just flat out discouraging to say the least.

    I just struggle with the fact that Geissele will knowingly have triggers leave that are less than perfect or could potentially have issues w. creep.

    I back these triggers because they NEVER have problems....and literally every one Ive ever owned or tried has been flawless and worth every penny.

    Flat out, any creep is unacceptable in my book.
    Last edited by ALCOAR; 07-25-11 at 19:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I'm torn...

    On one hand I have used 3 S2S's that were nothing short of perfect.

    On the other hand I saw your documented case of creep and then hearing you say that GA said a certain amt. of creep is acceptable in some cases is just flat out discouraging to say the least.

    I just struggle with the fact that Geissele will knowingly have triggers leave that are less than perfect or could potentially have issues w. creep.

    I back these triggers because they NEVER have problems....and literally every one Ive ever owned or tried has been flawless and worth every penny.

    Flat out, any creep is unacceptable in my book.

    Well, I want to eliminate an out-of-spec lower before I make any judgements.

    I too have 3 well performing Geissele's in my rifles.

    The tech also said that perhaps swapping hammers and triggers around, it would alleviate the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I'm torn...

    On one hand I have used 3 S2S's that were nothing short of perfect.

    On the other hand I saw your documented case of creep and then hearing you say that GA said a certain amt. of creep is acceptable in some cases is just flat out discouraging to say the least.

    I just struggle with the fact that Geissele will knowingly have triggers leave that are less than perfect or could potentially have issues w. creep.

    I back these triggers because they NEVER have problems....and literally every one Ive ever owned or tried has been flawless and worth every penny.

    Flat out, any creep is unacceptable in my book.
    There's a possibility we're dealing with an out of spec lower. The trigger could be fine, but if the holes aren't right, then you can see some issues.

    If every lower were perfect, there'd be no need for fully adjustable high speed triggers, everyone would just use a non-adjustable trigger. But many of those adjustments on ther higher end units exist to dial out lower imperfections. They also run another $120 for that degree of adjustability. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

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    Roger that, however the part about these trigger's potentially having creep occasionally, and then the acknowledgment of that fact being acceptable in the cost reducing design is downright troubling.

    Ultimately I want a "SSA" or in my case "SD-C/E", and If I cannot have that or close to that....than no amt. of cost savings will make these triggers desirable.

    In the gun world, I simply won't compromise(HK's and LMT's mission statement)....especially to save a buck.

    Please not that my above statement is not a reflection on my actual belief that the S2S is anything other than perfect, but rather more hypothetical.

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    2 of the triggers (1 good and 1 questionable) were placed into 2 more lowers tonight.

    The good one remained good.

    The creepy one remained creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Roger that, however the part about these trigger's potentially having creep occasionally, and then the acknowledgment of that fact being acceptable in the cost reducing design is downright troubling.

    Ultimately I want a "SSA" or in my case "SD-C/E", and If I cannot have that or close to that....than no amt. of cost savings will make these triggers desirable.

    In the gun world, I simply won't compromise(HK's and LMT's mission statement)....especially to save a buck.

    Please not that my above statement is not a reflection on my actual belief that the S2S is anything other than perfect, but rather more hypothetical.
    You get what you pay for. Geissele offers various triggers at various price points with different levels of adjustability. If you want a creep free trigger, shell out $279 for their top of the line trigger. If you're only willing to pay $150, then accept that it may be less than perfect.

    I'd still stick this up against LMTs offerings, and I have no idea what HK offers in the way of triggers. But I don't recall being wowed by stories/anecdotes of perfect HK triggers, so I doubt they're anything to set the world on fire.

    Try contacting Geissele and see if they'll swap your trigger out with another unit. Maybe there was a manufacturing flaw in this particular unit, who knows until they inspect it. But in a world where premium triggers across the line run $225+, you might find yourself alone in the world raising a stink over a touch of creep in a $150 trigger. It's still going to be worlds better than a stock, creepy SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmart View Post
    You get what you pay for.

    Try contacting Geissele and see if they'll swap your trigger out with another unit.

    But in a world where premium triggers across the line run $225+, you might find yourself alone in the world raising a stink over a touch of creep in a $150 trigger. It's still going to be worlds better than a stock, creepy SS.
    Yep. I paid for the SD-E on my other rifle and it's different than the S2S. I'm not expecting the S2S to be comparable with the the more expensive ones. I expect them to be comparable to other S2S triggers though.

    The trigger isn't bad. It's just that my 2 other ones are different. I honestly think that if I didn't have the other 2 to compare then I probably wouldn't have noticed.

    I'm going to call Geissele to see if I can ship it back to them for inspection. If it checks out fine then I'll just live with it. If I really wanted to be sure I would have paid the extra money for the SSA or SSA-E.
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    Added poll....

    Note in my case even though all three S2S's I own have been 5 stars I could only cast one vote for 5 stars. I allowed multi answers for folks like underwhere who have multiple triggers that are ranked differently.

    eta..in my eyes this trigger should and does in my case feel and operate ever bit as nicely as the SSA trigger.
    Last edited by ALCOAR; 07-25-11 at 23:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Added poll....i

    Note in my case even though all three S2S's I own have been 5 stars I could only cast one vote for 5 stars. I allowed multi answers for folks like underwhere who have multiple triggers that are ranked differently.
    Maybe I'll just get an American Trigger Corp Gold trigger.
    Those things are ridiculously nice. Amazingly short reset. Nice break. Not carot or glass like the Geissele but the reset is awesomely short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underwhere View Post
    Maybe I'll just get an American Trigger Corp Gold trigger.
    Those things are ridiculously nice. Amazingly short reset. Nice break. Not carot or glass like the Geissele but the reset is awesomely short.
    That's odd, I have no experience with either but I'm just going off traces/graphs contained in add copy by each manufacturer. The AR Gold, looking at the trace/graph, should have the crispest break. It's defined by a short, comparatively low weight takeup, followed by a tall, abrupt and short duration peak where the distance of linear travel is quite short, followed by the break. Think Matterhorn type of graph.

    In contrast, the Geissele's have longish takeups, at a higher initial takeup weight, followed by a longish, flat plateau, then the break after a comparatively smaller increase in pull weight. The key difference between the graphs are the manners in which they appear to break. The Geissele looks like a smooth, ball beraing riding trigger, think a Yosemite Half Dome style break. The AR Gold is a steep, abrupt break. They liken it in their add copy to have similar characteristics to a finely tuned 1911 trigger. I'm not making any claims which characteristics would be preferred, I'm just relaying what's in their add copy so buyers can decide which characteristics they might prefer.

    The other big difference is total pull weight. AR Gold's come in around 2.75 - 3lb, while Geissele's come in at 3.5 - 5.5 lbs depending upon model of trigger selected. Their closest offering to an AR Gold, the S3G and S3G-E come in around 3.5 lb per their add copy. SSA's and High Speed Service Rifle triggers come in 4.5 - 6.0lb, but those are true two stages.

    AR Gold did acknowledge they have a heavier pull weight, non-adjustable trigger "in the pipeline", but that's been claimed for over a year with no update on their website about ever having engineered and built such a version, so color me a bit skeptical. 3lbs is alwfully light, so I'd pidgeon hole this trigger in the competition/precision bin. No way would I want that light of a trigger in a SD gun, but if they were ever to develop their heavier pull weight version, I'd take a look.

    Maybe the next best option is a Wilson TTU. Those have been written quite favorably by Stickman and they offer a couple different versions, spanning everything from competition/precision pull weights to tactical-level pull weights.

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