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Perhaps I'm missing something. I've run a lot of stock trigger set ups, from mil-spec AR triggers to the positively awful M16A2 trigger. I've used the stock M16A1 trigger and then replaced it with the SSF. I've also run Bushmaster NM 2 stage, JARD, Bill Springfield, self tuned mil-specs and the SSA.
I've run the SSA in 3-Gun and didn't notice any issues with reset. A couple of weeks ago at a benefit match, I got 26 hits in 15.14 seconds (out of 27 rounds fired) on a steel torso at 300 yards with my SSA equipped Noveske Rogue Hunter. Obviously reset wasn't an issue there.
So, what's the difference in reset between the SSA, the S3G and the S2S. I need a new trigger and was considering getting the SD3G for the R.H. and using the SSA in the new build, which is a patrol/HD Noveske/BCM 14.5". Would I be better off getting the S2S for the new build and leaving the SSA in the R.H.?
I absolutely love that we have so many AR triggers to choose from, but even I get a little confused about the benefits/drawbacks each one has.![]()
FWIW I get short-stroke issues shooting fast close-in as well with the SSA and with the KAC. I'm talking about 10 rounds in under two-seconds fast. Example of the kind of shooting I'm talking about (5 yard mark).
http://youtu.be/2-oYRn_llgo
or like this
http://youtu.be/KX_JX8T-JjI
or this
http://youtu.be/MgvOMJan2d8
Last edited by rob_s; 08-05-11 at 16:07.
Underwhere...FWIW, I have a second S2S, which going from your description feels a lot like your "not quite as sharp" one. Like you, I felt it was noticeably different to both my other S2S (which is extremely sharp) and my SD-C. I therefore also contacted GA about it, wound up having a great conversation with Bill G, who explained to me exactly what he has written in his post above.
I think the point to take away from this is while you may get an S2S that does break very crisply indeed, due to the necessary time/money compromises in manufacturing detail and tolerances, you might also get one that is a little more "carroty" in nature (but even so, is still a massive improvement over many triggers).
The morale of the story IMHO is that if you want to guarantee yourself a sharp crisp breaking non adjustable trigger, as per Bills comments then the SSA-E or SD-E is the way to go. My next trigger will likely be one of these, because my personal preferences these days seem to be taking me away from "carrots" more towards "candy canes".....
While I'm back on this subject, another point that some might find interesting is that I decided to put the "lesser" of the two triggers in my M&P15-22 econo trainer rifle. Pleased to report it went straight in there with barely a hitch (the only thing I had to do was slightly file the flat on the plastic safety selector to give the trigger enough travel....a 20 second job) and is working a treat. Very nice to have my trainer feel the same as my "mains" which currently have an SD-C and the other S2S in them respectively.
Dan
I've come the same conclusion you have...that because of the price and manufacturing methods that it's not going to be as consistent. On the other hand it's still a great trigger for the price.
An S2S in a 15-22?
My 15-22 was supposed to be my cheapo rifle...though the thought is tempting.
Last edited by Underwhere; 08-07-11 at 00:39.
From a business stand point not sure the S2S is a winner I see the ssa-3 for $200 so we have a $75 spread between the two if they had placed the SSA-E on sale at $163 I believe the number sold would have produced more cash for the business vs adding another trigger of lessor quality which "may" cause more returns, just a thought.
I haven't had short stroking issues with my SSA- and that's with splits as low as 0.12-0.13. But I can't keep that pace for 10 rounds.
Love my ssa. Love it.
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I do fully understand the issue some have with the reset. As described by Rob, it generally is only ever an issue when running high round/high speed drills. However....a lot of it is personal preference and training and sticking with what you've got. As I mentioned earlier, being brought up on 2 stage triggers and being a Glock shooter also, I don't personally notice it as a huge problem....as "riding the reset" is something I've always done. As far as I can tell, the S2S/SSA/SD-C seems to have a very similar reset to a stock Glock trigger. For my own preferences and shooting ability right now, having the capacity to to set up for more precise 'technical' shots outweighs the benefit gained from seeing how fast I can spank a target at 5 yards.
Now, if my shooting ability was at such a level as Kyle Lambs or Daniel Horner and co's, that .1 of a second on follow up shots might make all the difference, and I might have a different outlook....after all there is an established trend that most 3 gunners/high speed shooters use either crisp single stages like JP or Geissele's hybrid S3G, which are all extremely quick and positive resetting triggers. There again, even at that level, there's still some personal preference going on....while in the minority, Mike Voigt for instance has won everything there is to win....with a 2 stage.
Especially as it stands with me in the mid-pack and for 99% of mortals, there are plenty of other things that will far more impact stage time/overall performance that whether your trigger is single stage or 2 stage.
I understand that there are some 2 stage triggers that have really long, unpredictable and awkward resets - that I would not like....but none of the Geissele triggers are like that.
Last edited by SA80Dan; 08-06-11 at 14:56.
Dan
When can the ordinary Joe get one of these?
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