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Thread: Geissele's new Super 2 Stage trigger (S2S).....

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    As are mine, but when Geissele came on the scene, most competitors were using either a lower end RR/BM/Armalite trigger, or an unobtanium Krieger-Millazo. All were two stage. Geissele saw a void and thought he could fill it with a premium trigger that was available to mere mortals. Once he decided on the two stage design, he then designed in his safety features, but I'm not sure he picked the two stage because of safety. I'm guessing it was more a thought process of, "everyone's shooting two stages, I'm gonna build a better two stage. Now, how can I make it the best two stage possible?"
    Last edited by jmart; 07-26-11 at 01:19.

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    You may be right. Back in the day though, single stage triggers were considered better than two stage for precision & competition. That's why at first it confused me to hear folks on this site talk about single stage triggers being for combat and two stage triggers for precision.

    Regardless, the Geisselle SSA-E in my precision AR works very well, and by all accounts, so do his other AR triggers. All he has to do now is design one with a short reset like that found on the M14/Garand trigger. That would be as close to AR trigger perfection as could be
    Last edited by MistWolf; 07-23-11 at 10:13.
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    Do you have any hands on with any of the current single stage designs to compare against? The AR Gold or the Wilson TTU?

    It's interesting, the Giessele website and the AR Gold website have trigger traces where you get a good sense of the characterisitics of the trigger pulls. When comparing a Geissele S3G (a kind of quasi single stage/two stage hybrid according to their explanation), you can see it's a very short, but steep, take up followed by a long straight-line pull with no additional added weight before it trips the sear.

    The AR Gold is kind of the opposite -- a short, very low weight and longish first stage, followed by a short, quick take up right at the end and then the sear trips. Both triggers trip at about the same pull weight, but the characteristics are different on how you get there.

    I'm not accomplished enough or refined enough to know which I might prefer. When you get into the triggers, you're talking $200 and up, and so far I haven't felt the need to drop that kind of coin, one because it is kind of an expense, and two, because I might get hooked and feel the need to swap out my other two rifles triggers.

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    The following is based on my experience as a shooter as I have none in gunfighting.

    All ARs I have shot have had the standard trigger with the exception of the SSA-E on my current precision rifle. I have dry fired different demo triggers but mostly focused on the Geisselle models, the SSA, the adjustable verison (don't recall the model off the top of my head) the 3 gun and the SSA-E. I have not tried any with the straight trigger bow. What sold me on the SSA-E is that it already had the pull I would have tuned an adjustable trigger to.

    It's easy to get caught up in trigger mania. I have tuned several to be as light & crisp as possible on bolt action rifles and they are a delight to shoot with. A trigger so tuned will fire with just a thought. But a very light trigger requires more care from the shooter and isn't a good choice for a novice to learn on.

    Some feel the standard AR trigger is fine. I find they have a heavy pull with too much creep. The problem lies with the fact they are also gritty. If they could be smoothed up without worrying about cutting through the case hardening, they would make a good starter trigger. Some triggers will smooth out with shooting, but the standard trigger in my Colt never really did even after a couple thousand rounds and hours of dry firing. That's why I sprang for the Geisselle for my precision rifle.

    I cannot tell you if a single stage or two stage trigger is better for your purposes. I believe it's Rob_S that found due to the nature of the two stage pull, the Geisselle handicaps his shooting. What I can tell you is that you basically have two choices-
    1) Go cheap by buying a good solid trigger and sticking with it. Learn to shoot that trigger and cry once by buying once. While it may take longer to find the optimal trigger, a deeper understanding of what's needed and wanted will be had when it finally comes time for a replacement.
    2) Shoot as many triggers as you can until you find the right trigger for you. This option will require an investiture of time and money. It also has the danger that somewhere along the line, searching can become more important than finding. When this happens, it's too easy to forget that at some point, one must stop chasing equipment and simply focus on shooting
    Last edited by MistWolf; 07-23-11 at 12:40.
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    5. HA-HA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    .... All he has to do now is design one with a short reset like that found on the M14/Garand trigger. That would be as close to AR trigger perfection as could be
    THIS PLEASE!!!!!!

    I wish SO much that they would create a single stage trigger with the short and very quick reset of the S3G, but a slightly longer initial pull like the SSA. If this is possible, please make it! As MistWolf said above, this would be AR trigger perfection IMHO.

    I love the SSA but when shooting with a purpose up close, I always wind up short stroking it because of the slightly longer reset.

    Just my two cents... Which admittedly ain't much
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    retreatHell,

    Spend some time on the www.americantrigger.com website, study the traces, and tell me if this is what you're trying to describe. The characteristics you mention sound just like this trigger, although the AR Gold has a 3lb pull weight which may be a bit lighter than what you desire.

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    Another video of the third unit I just installed.....it's been slowed down at one point to analyze the creep...it's got zero, what a pull is all I can say

    S2S's trigger pull up close and slowed down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Another video of the third unit I just installed.....it's been slowed down at one point to analyze the creep...it's got zero, what a pull is all I can say

    S2S's trigger pull up close and slowed down...
    I'm pretty sure if you videotaped all 3 of my triggers you would say they are all the same, yet if you fired all three of them you would say they are all different.

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    I hear ya...I'm not or never was calling you out, however after installing 3 of these now and honestly having them be creep free and overall awesome feeling, I believe firmly in this design and the finished product. I might try and test one or two more if feedback is slow going in the next cpl. weeks.

    I hate that you are disappointed by one or more of your units and I would truly like to see you have your issues with them resolved. If I can help in the least you can either post it publicly, or send me a PM/Email..whatever is fine and I'm more than happy to help out anyway I can including working a deal out to take the trigger off your hands that disappointed you.

    eta..just for the record, Ive seen a few video's of 2 stage triggers creeping on the break...it's clearly evident but no worries on that stuff.
    Last edited by ALCOAR; 07-24-11 at 03:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I hear ya...I'm not or never was calling you out, however after installing 3 of these now and honestly having them be creep free and overall awesome feeling, I believe firmly in this design and the finished product. I might try and test one or two more if feedback is slow going in the next cpl. weeks.

    I hate that you are disappointed by one or more of your units and I would truly like to see you have your issues with them resolved. If I can help in the least you can either post it publicly, or send me a PM/Email..whatever is fine and I'm more than happy to help out anyway I can including working a deal out to take the trigger off your hands that disappointed you.

    eta..just for the record, Ive seen a few video's of 2 stage triggers creeping on the break...it's clearly evident but no worries on that stuff.
    I'm confused. Do you work for them?

    I uninstalled, inspected, lubed and reinstalled. Still the same. I'm going to dry fire some more to see if it alleviates it.

    And yes I tried videotaping and I think I can maybe pick up the slightest bit of creep on it.

    Not a huge issue. If anything I'll contact Geissele and see what they say.

    Here's a video showing my normal trigger first and then the one with creep second. I tried to go as light as possible on the trigger to display the creep. Ignore my trigger finger position. Was trying to get as much of the trigger as possible displayed in the video.

    *edit video broken. New video posted in subsequent post*
    Last edited by Underwhere; 07-24-11 at 17:33.

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