Am I the only one to have gotten bad advice?
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Am I the only one to have gotten bad advice?
I could totally be wrong since I don't own one, but I've heard that even Surefire suggests shooting the can off if you can't get it off otherwise. I've seen one other person do it and he said there wasn't any damage to the can at all and that that's what Surefire said he should do.
KAC actually has this as an approved method listed in the manual for removing the silencer if you can't get it off normally.
Theoretically, as the gases interacting with the baffle stack, it shouldn't really move the can until the bullet has cleared the end cap, the only real danger would be to the can from smacking the ground.
If the act of loosening the silencer would cause enough movement to cause a baffle strike, I would agree that it could be dangerous.
KAC and Surefire cans shouldn't be an issue, but I wouldn't do this with an AAC, YHM, Gemtech, etc. I certainly wouldn't do this on a regular basis, and only in an emergency. You would be hard pressed to find a situation where heating the can up a little wouldn't loosen it up enough to get it off normally.
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well, I learned something new. So what happens if there's a strike or your can is messed up? I'd imagine that they warranty it.....but still, wow.
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I also said, in my first post, that it should be used only in an emergency. Regardless of context, I just illustrated that it is a viable means from the manufacturer. It's the type of attachment method that determines the validity of this method, in the case of KAC or Surefire, it is not the issue you make it out to be.
The fact of the matter is that any silencer that uses some sort of indexing device in the mount (KAC, Surefire) and only relies on a latch type for securing to the mount, this method is fine. The bullet will clear the can before the gas can interact with the baffle stack enough to move the silencer. For silencers with screw-on type mounts (AAC, YHM, Ops Inc) this is a very bad idea as any movement from securely latched induces movement by its very nature, and is almost guaranteed to result in a baffle strike.
None of the KAC or Surefire cans I've played with have any real play once on the mount, regardless of latched securely or not, certainly not enough to case a catastrophic baffle strike. This is not the case with my M42k. If it is not securely latched to the teeth, there is play in every axis. Again, a can that indexes on the mount fully prior to being latched won't have a problem with this field expedient method of emergency removal. A can that requires it to be securely latched after threading to index properly would be UNSAFE to do this with.
Considering the nature of this site, I would consider it prudent to not try and paint broad strokes with regards to information. Attachment method of the silencer is the determining factor, it costs nothing to bring this aspect to the conversation.
I'm not cool. I just do this stuff for fun.
Last edited by JasonM; 07-03-11 at 11:47.
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