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    Quote Originally Posted by Work2shoot View Post
    I'm a little weird in that I have a stubby VFG behind a magpul AFG2. They're both polymer and light so weight isn't really an issue. I just have the best of both worlds. VFG close to me so that if I have to do CQB for any reason I'm ok. The AFG is further towards the end where it's comfortable.
    You're right, that is weird.
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    Some of the confusion around VFGs seems to often come from the difference between "shooting" and "fighting". I have seen several people post over the years that "I tried a VFG on my gun but didn't really see the point". Come to find out they are shooting from the bench, or some other static position. Even if you're working various shooting positions, even non-standard positions, it can be of limited use. Even if you're using the gun in matches, if they are a lot of run-n-gun without a lot of barricades, obstructions, etc. you may not see the value.

    Kyle Lamb recently taught a class here in Florida (that I had to miss) but one of the things I noticed most was how many of the guys that attended commented on having their view of VFGs changed by the class. Now to be sure some of that is simply the tendency to believe your last facts most, but not with this group, and not with this many of them.

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    I am one of those guys who have never had much use for them. HOWEVER, I have been tempted lately because I have been doing more full-auto practice. In this heat the rail system on my MK18 gets insanely hot.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Good post and it is a great reminder that there is no one way to do things. I watched a clip from a class in which the instructor was making fun of the guys with VFGs calling them chicken chokers and such. Of course he is sponsored by an AFG maker and I would guess might have an agenda. I run my rifle bare because that is what works for me, but I have never made fun of someone with a VFG, AFG, or anything. Even chicken wingers might be effective at some point, who am I to judge?

    This also leads into my whole don't take one instructors word for anything, they may have an agenda. I had someone tell me that the best way to fight with a carbine is hand fully forward arm parallel with the rifle, elbow out, because this is how Travis Haley teaches you to shoot, thing is that Travis got famous while executing a magwell grip. The instructor mentioned in the first paragraph is not Travis, as everything I have seen about him is that he is a class act and always professional.

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    I' have a full size VFP on mine but I would benefit more from a stub I think...I found that gripping it like you would a pull up bar makes the rifle prone to wobble than if you index it and grip the rail. Maybe I'll upgrade but I don't see a reason to now.

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    Weird, not really. Silly as hell. You betcha. We had another guy show up here recently with almost the same thoughts and set up. He was extracted by a black bird.

    I don't see how having two grips attached to your weapon could be anything remotely considered useful. Where does it end? Do you have two different optics- you CQB and long distance?

    How many lights do you have? See where we are going here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Work2shoot View Post
    I'm a little weird in that I have a stubby VFG behind a magpul AFG2. They're both polymer and light so weight isn't really an issue. I just have the best of both worlds. VFG close to me so that if I have to do CQB for any reason I'm ok. The AFG is further towards the end where it's comfortable.

    Heck I have a 12" rail might as wel!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman8 View Post
    Great post Dave.

    The above is the only thing I have a question about...if you do have a good sling for CQB situations, would the "need" for a vfg be mitigated if you maintain positive control of the weapon? Also, the leverage and command issue could go both ways if the BG grabs your VFG as well...

    I would think that a handstop in this situation would be more beneficial to reduce the profile of the weapon and (maybe) reduce chances of snagging on something...no?
    My training has taught me that the proper response to a weapon grab is lethal force, be is a press contact shot, edged weapon, brick...

    The point is that a weapon grab should be a short lived affair and should end with the grabber leaking red fluids upon the floor or ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Weird, not really. Silly as hell. You betcha. We had another guy show up here recently with almost the same thoughts and set up. He was extracted by a black bird.

    I don't see how having two grips attached to your weapon could be anything remotely considered useful. Where does it end? Do you have two different optics- you CQB and long distance?

    How many lights do you have? See where we are going here?
    No offense, but some people DO run a magnified scope and a small red dot sight at an angle, and plenty of LEOs run multiple lights. Either of these are more useful than 2 VFGs, IMHO.

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    I understand that perfectly well. You misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaneinhisroom View Post
    No offense, but some people DO run a magnified scope and a small red dot sight at an angle, and plenty of LEOs run multiple lights. Either of these are more useful than 2 VFGs, IMHO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Weird, not really. Silly as hell. You betcha. We had another guy show up here recently with almost the same thoughts and set up. He was extracted by a black bird.

    I don't see how having two grips attached to your weapon could be anything remotely considered useful. Where does it end? Do you have two different optics- you CQB and long distance?

    How many lights do you have? See where we are going here?
    I see where you are going with your point. I keep the red dot on the rifle at all times and have the magnifier on a quick disconnect mount. So yes I guess you could say I do have 2 optics.

    Taking on and off the AFG is not quick (very tight fit, with a flat head screw). And seeing as they are both polymer and don't add much (felt) weight I don't see the problem with it because I like it.

    Lastly, I find it hard to believe that someone was "extracted by a blackbird" for their grip selection.

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