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    Quote Originally Posted by ARPATRIOT View Post
    I used to have a TD VFG,like my Gear Sector hand stop MUCH better!
    Do you use 1 or 2 stops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Some of the confusion around VFGs seems to often come from the difference between "shooting" and "fighting". I have seen several people post over the years that "I tried a VFG on my gun but didn't really see the point". Come to find out they are shooting from the bench, or some other static position. Even if you're working various shooting positions, even non-standard positions, it can be of limited use. Even if you're using the gun in matches, if they are a lot of run-n-gun without a lot of barricades, obstructions, etc. you may not see the value.

    Kyle Lamb recently taught a class here in Florida (that I had to miss) but one of the things I noticed most was how many of the guys that attended commented on having their view of VFGs changed by the class. Now to be sure some of that is simply the tendency to believe your last facts most, but not with this group, and not with this many of them.

    Rob, do you know by chance any details in regards to what was discussed/taught pertaining to the VFG at the class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbo723 View Post
    Rob, do you know by chance any details in regards to what was discussed/taught pertaining to the VFG at the class?
    Only that several were putting them back on, or deciding to add them, after taking the class. It would appear that Kyle is big on various unconventional positions and has techniques for utilizing the VFG to aid in shooting from those positions.

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    I love my magpul VFG because that company does a pretty damn good job of mitigating the negative aspects of the VFG such as size and weight.

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    In regards to VFGs, what do you all think about the GripPod (particularly the model with the steel inserts)? I came across one for about $25.00, so I went ahead and got it. Any thoughts?

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    Never ditched my stubbies... I use what works for me.


    Great post.
    NOT in training for combat deployment.

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    In regards to VFGs, what do you all think about the GripPod (particularly the model with the steel inserts)?
    Personal preference. For me, too big and bulky and I would almost never use the pod feature on a carbine. I have had one issued to me and gave it a quick try, then went back to a standard or stubby VFG.

    For a Recce type, I could see using one for an all purpose, jack of all trades rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrodder636 View Post
    In regards to VFGs, what do you all think about the GripPod (particularly the model with the steel inserts)? I came across one for about $25.00, so I went ahead and got it. Any thoughts?
    I think it's pretty bulky and not for me. I like the issued KAC VFG or Magpul AFG more...ounces add up quick when patrolling.

    I hate it when coaching Marines while doing their annual Rifle qualifications. Last time I coached, over half the unquals had the GripPod (all had ACOG's, so it should've been stupid easy to make Rifle Expert; also, there were about 16 unquals--more than I've ever seen on one qual day). I personally think it makes Marines forget the basics (natural point of aim, natural respiratory pause, trigger control, bone support, etc.) and they rely TOO much on the GripPod to steady the weapon.

    I'm not saying it's BAD, but if it makes my Marines forget all their most basic, basic training, I don't like it. Others shot and shot well with it, but I just think many rely on it too much as a crutch to fix bad technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Only that several were putting them back on, or deciding to add them, after taking the class. It would appear that Kyle is big on various unconventional positions and has techniques for utilizing the VFG to aid in shooting from those positions.
    I took the class last year. The VFG added a lot of stability in shooting in, around and through the holes of the barriers, as well as aid in driving the weapon from target to target. It also provided more stability (for me) while shooting on the move. Not too much discussion, but when seeing Kyle or Dan demo a drill and you saw how they used it, it became readily apparent that the VFG was the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hnl.flyboy View Post
    I think it's pretty bulky and not for me. I like the issued KAC VFG or Magpul AFG more...ounces add up quick when patrolling.

    I hate it when coaching Marines while doing their annual Rifle qualifications. Last time I coached, over half the unquals had the GripPod (all had ACOG's, so it should've been stupid easy to make Rifle Expert; also, there were about 16 unquals--more than I've ever seen on one qual day). I personally think it makes Marines forget the basics (natural point of aim, natural respiratory pause, trigger control, bone support, etc.) and they rely TOO much on the GripPod to steady the weapon.

    I'm not saying it's BAD, but if it makes my Marines forget all their most basic, basic training, I don't like it. Others shot and shot well with it, but I just think many rely on it too much as a crutch to fix bad technique.
    Wow, that's crazy, I shot expert and I had to use iron sights! I couldn't imagine what my target would've looked like with an ACOG! Anyways, I figured for $25 the GP seemed like a "neat gizmo". Yes it is pretty big though.

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