View Poll Results: Is Larry Vickers Bashing the 1911?

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    I voted "no" simply because I believe what LAV is saying is based more on the big picture of weapons evolution and the advances made. The 1911 is a fine weapon, I wont be getting rid of mine any time soon, but it does come with more "bagagge" than most of the "modern" designs like the Glock, and for todays war fighters and LE, it is something to consider for sure when operational tempos leave less time for taking care of gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    We could get back on topic and let those who think Larry is "bashing" the 1911 speak up.
    C'mon LB, you knew where this was gonna go It always does, which is fine, we're here to discuss stuff. And as long as people can make intelligent, honest, reasoned, arguments that's cool, I'm listening. But, when we get into all the romantic, nostalgia, dead nazi shit, it gets silly.

    Rob,
    We probably agree more then disagree, I just try to follow the same logic. I want my secondary, to be as capable as my primary, w/in reason. That includes, mechanical and practical accuracy, shoot-ability, capacity, maintenance requirements, weight, ability to support light and lasers, etc. etc.
    I think it still stands though, I could take the money saved by getting a Glock and take a class or shoot the snot out of it, and be better off. Or, sink a few bucks into it for trigger job, grip tape/stippling, ext controls, and still have enough for ammo and a good class.

    OldState,
    I treated my 1911's just like my M4's, Glocks, M&P's and every other weapon in my safe/closet, that is like crap. I shoot them until lube and crud is oozing out of them, clean them only when I feel guilty, or have nothing better to do. My duty guns get treated a little better, not because its a duty gun but because:
    -I'm on the clock, so I get paid while I clean them
    -Work provides an auto parts cleaner and compressor, making it quick and painless(I need them for the Apt.)
    - They get "inspected" by jabronies who don't know better, and its easier to clean it, then explain to them that carbon on the bolt tail has zero effect on the function of the weapon, but the 20 year old mags they issue do.

    In my mind "maintenance nightmare" has nothing to do with cleaning it.

    Bob
    Last edited by R Moran; 06-27-11 at 14:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R Moran View Post
    C'mon LB, you knew where this was gonna go It always does, which is fine, we here to discuss stuff. And as long as people can make intelligent, honest, reasoned, arguments that's cool, I'm listening. But, when we get into all the romantic, nostalgia, dead nazi shit, it gets silly.

    Bob
    I know.... There has been some good posts in here but the nostalgia makes me want to kill another kitten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    I know.... There has been some good posts in here but the nostalgia makes me want to kill another kitten.
    I smiled twice in the last post, now I gotta push a Nun down the stairs to make up for it

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Whether you shoot it better or less bad, whether Larry Vickers or the internets think you're wrong... if it works for you then it is NOT wrong.

    I firmly stand by my earlier post that I think what we have here are a lot of people simply latching onto an SME's opinion and smushing it in other people's faces because they happen to agree with it. Do they like the Glock or simply hate the 1911 and it's owners/proponents?
    On the first, I' not in complete agreement....

    -Most people don't know what "works for them", this includes weapon selection, gear selection and techniques.
    -what if what "works for them" was a Hi-point? Or what they "shot the best" was a Ruger MKII?

    If a SME came in here and told them, they were wrong, we would all agree. One of the best things about this site, was the number of real SME's, Industry Pro's and real BTDT types. They give us the benefit of years of experience and being close to the flag pole, to tell us, what is right and what is wrong...w/in reason.

    I don't care how many people come in here and say a Taurus or Rock Island Arsenal is the best 1911 ever made, if LAV says its crap....its crap.

    On the second...

    It goes both ways. There are still some who cling to old quotes from LAV about the 1911, or Cooper, or some WW1 vet that wrote a book.
    Glock/Sig/Beretta/Oly/DPMS/etc. lovers do the same thing, whenever the "right" person makes a comment that supports their point of view, ...it's life.

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Reread what he wrote. "Don't get nostalgic about tools. It's stupid."

    So...do you think he was bashing tools or nostalgia?
    Not much to re-read...his post read "he bashed the 1911 and rightfully so & to use what works."

    Unless I mis-read his intentions, the post was a little insulting to the all 1911's pictured up this section is all.

    I was refering to the snazzy 'tools' are more like a work of art to me and also do still 'work' for their intended purposed but he can take that up with the individual smiths.

    Keep on pick'n out the fly crap though... Starting to enjoying having to clarify myself with you. Sorry it took so long for the reply...been at the ranch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R Moran View Post
    So what? Peruna asked...well, this is one of the reasons we end up like this, and we see all manner of idiots on the range with all manner of crap 1911's, that just have to be the shit, because its a 1911 after all! Its the best!
    Are you suggesting that wannabes don't also buy Glocks, HKs, Sigs, etc. because they think such handguns are "tactical" and that wannabes only buy M1911s? Unless you are making such a suggestion, then the question stands---so what?

    On a somewhat related note that is completely unrelated to the question of whether LAV is bashing M1911s, has anyone who has posted in this thread (other than the SMEs) actually been in a gunfight or are the claims and observations contained in this thread based on paper target experience? May not be relevant, but I'm curious......
    Last edited by peruna; 06-27-11 at 17:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Moran View Post
    OldState,
    I treated my 1911's just like my M4's, Glocks, M&P's and every other weapon in my safe/closet, that is like crap. I shoot them until lube and crud is oozing out of them, clean them only when I feel guilty, or have nothing better to do.

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by peruna View Post
    Are you suggesting that wannabes don't also buy Glocks, HKs, Sigs, etc. because they think such handguns are "tactical" and that wannabes only buy M1911s? Unless you are making such a suggestion, then the question stands---so what?

    I'm sure some do. Think that is BS also. No one says Glocks are oly for "experts" and "advanced" shooters, or some such BS. Then you have guys going, "yea, I'm an advanced expert, can't you see my 1911?"
    The gun world is always going to have it's share of F'tards, but we don't have to encourage it. See my otehr comments about discussions.


    On a somewhat related note that is completely unrelated to the question of whether LAV is bashing M1911s, has anyone who has posted in this thread (other than the SMEs) actually been in a gunfight or are the claims and observations contained in this thread based on paper target experience? May not be relevant, but I'm curious......

    What difference does that make? The gun doesn't now its in combat. There are plenty of gangbanger types out there, that have been in gunfights with jennings .22's, Rossi .38's and Hi-points. Should we take firearm selection advice from them?

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldState View Post
    Holy crap, what does your car look like?
    It could use a good detailing...but I don't do that either. Run it thru the local car wash every now and again, that's about it.
    Goes to the dealer every 5000 miles for the factory recommended sservices.

    Thats why I drive a Toyota Tacoma on a daily basis, and not a '72 Trans Am, with a 454 Super Duty

    Bob
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