First, this is a discussion forum, we discuss things, this particular forum is about guns, so we are discussing them, and what a recognized subject matter expert on the gun in question has to say about it.
OK, I don't know what LAV thinks, but I can tell you what he told me in the multiple classes I paid to attend....
ME: "Larry, if you had to stack up on a door to recapture a vital facility, or take down an airliner, what would you want in your 6004?"
Larry: " Not a 1911"
At one of the two 1911 operators courses:
Me: "whats the point?"
Larry: His classic hand and arm signal for who the F**K knows
At another 1911 operators class
Me: Larry, what do you think is the best service pistol right now?"
Larry: with out even thinking about it, "Glock 17"
Now Larry can sure as hell come in here and clarify things. But I don't think anyone should tell us what he thinks. I can tell you what he told me. Of course, anyone here can pay to attend a class and hear it first hand.
For the Vickers bashers, I think its almost narcissistic to ignore what that man has to say regarding the platform, knowing his creds.
So what? Peruna asked...well, this is one of the reasons we end up like this, and we see all manner of idiots on the range with all manner of crap 1911's, that just have to be the shit, because its a 1911 after all! Its the best!
When most people say " I shoot the 1911 the best" they mean, "I shoot it the least worst".
It wouldn't be too bad, accept they then come into discussions like this and tell us how we are F'd up.
No one here has said to dump your 1911 for a anything, unless the question is asked specifically. Then it becomes another "don't tell me what to do" thread.
What I see plenty of though, is 1911 worshipers, who have lost touch with reality, insisting that the 1911 is good for them, because they are willing to put the effort in, they are an aficionado, etc etc. They talk about JMB was a genius,( yea, but he wasn't a grunt) Nazi's, years of service, all of it is blown well out proportion.
What you rarely see, is the 1911 shooters, giving a practical reason for all the effort in running a 1911.
I've owned bone stock 1911's, Springfield Armory, Colt and Remington Rand, if that was all that was available, it would not survive in any real world tactical environment. Saying they are the equivalent of Glock, Sig, HK, etc is just silly.
If someone can give me a good reason as to why a $1500 or more 1911 is a better option, w/o getting into the above arguments, I'm all for it.
Keep in mind, I've owned plenty of 1911's over the years, still own 4 all custom and one built by the original Delta armorer.
Now, when I'm done, I'll have about $1000 into an M&P, but it did not need it to be reliable and serviceable. When I'm done, I'll have an accurate, reliable, shootable, lightweight, light ready, easy to maintain, easy to replace, gun with 15 rounds of 180grn JHP. Do that with a 1911 for that much money.
Of course, the M&P was all that out of the box, as was my G17 and 19.
I don't hate 1911's, just "1911 guys"
Bob





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