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    The regular Army does not issue spare bolts. That is an item that requires a headspace check performed at the Direct Support level.
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    They are leaking out through a dealer in FN's backyard (SC), likely from a FN employee. Not stolen govt property. If your an employee and want something you can buy it fairly easly as long its not the registrared part and FN has even done that (stripped lowers) for employees. I bought 8 of the bolts from them and have been running a couple of them for a while now. Dealer in question has a good reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merle View Post
    Who's to say that wasn't issued to someone as a spare? I'm not sure that the military does that but the chances of the government tracking some dude down from a message forum are slim to none. I can go on eBay and find Aimpoint compm2's all day long still with Iraqi dust on them. The same goes for new FN 20" M16 barrels on gunbroker. I've been working for the government for 16 years and I've seen more than enough brand new stuff sent to drmo for whatever reason in that time. I agree it very well could be stolen but its not proveable and it wouldn't be something I'd worrry too much about if I was ever to acquire one of those.

    Spares? Could be, but they wouldn't end up on what I call the "Common" DRMO.

    For those that do not know, the Govt basically has two DRMO programs. One is open to just about everyone and the other is restricted to LE. On the LE side, they can get barrels, NV, optics, gun parts, etc. They are required by law to keep the items for at least one year.

    So it is possible that these bolts went to some LE agency and then, after a year, they sold/traded them and ended up on the commercial market.


    As someone that has had contact with federal agents over parts, optics and shipments going overseas, TRUST ME when I say that they are watching gun forums and are ALL OVER EBAY and will come to your home and ask you questions about the stolen Govt property you purchased.


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    Unhappy

    Slight thread drift but some 50 years ago, the NRA was selling M1911s (or maybe A1s) for less that $20, IIRC. Like I said it was 50 some years age and I still wish I had bought 1 or 3 or more. Same story on carbines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjc3081 View Post
    I bought a FN contract FN bolt from Grant 4 years ago.

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    cooly speaking!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Ya, most likely stolen Govt Property.


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    HOT !!! stolen!!! run away and dont get caught !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjc3081 View Post
    I bought a FN contract FN bolt from Grant 4 years ago.
    Did they used to sell to the public or such? I've seen more than a few old references to it around, not just Grant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_walker View Post
    Did they used to sell to the public or such? I've seen more than a few old references to it around, not just Grant.
    No.


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    lemme dig up FN's reply when I asked them this very question many years ago.

    ETA: Here tis

    From: Rodger Young [mailto:artweaker@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:40 AM
    To: Beryl Myers
    Subject: Parts Q



    Beryl,

    First, let me congratulate FN on being progressive enough to allow their staff to have open email addresses. It truly simplifies things.



    We've never spoken before but I'm a regular on many of the online AR15 forums and a fan of FN’s military products.



    I worked at Olympic Arms for several years as an assembler, am a US Army trained small arms repairer, and a Colt certified AR Armorer but please don't hold that against me.



    Cutting to the chase, I see many shops listing "FN" AR15/M16 parts for sale but since I've been told by several reputable sources that FN doesn't sell AR15/M16 parts to the civilian sector I'm curious as to the origin of these parts. Are these deals I see listed simply scams or is there something I'm missing?



    There is an ongoing thread regarding this subject on one of the larger forums and I wish to get 'the word' hoping to bring the thread to a close.



    Looking forward to your answer,



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    Subject: RE: Parts Q
    Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:22:22 -0500
    From: "Beryl Myers" <berylm@fnmfg.com>
    To: ARtweaker@yahoo.com


    Rodger,
    Thank you for your email. We have become aware of this issue as well, and you are correct, FNMI ONLY produces and sells M16 Type Weapons for and to the US Government. We are prohibited from any other sales based on a Non Disclosure and Non Use Agreement, with the US Government.

    The only explanation that we have been able to gather, is that these shop have gone to some of our suppliers who, either from a drawing supplied by that shop or from one of their own, is producing the part and selling it commercially, and that supplier says, that the parts are made to the same quality as FN parts.

    I hope that this helps. If not, let me know.

    Beryl



    Addendum:
    Beryl forgot to mention that FN’s subcontractors are bound by the same Non Disclosure and Non Use agreements as FN. That is a government requirement to obtain the Technical Data Package (TDP) containing the prints and procedures for making each item. That means that these subcontractors would be in violation of the TDP agreement if they use the information for something other than what was outlined in their contract with FN.
    Last edited by Tweak; 07-27-11 at 22:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post

    You must not know the Govt if you don't think that they won't come and talk you over a $53 dollar item.


    C4
    And the cost to tax payers for that vist, $122,982.65......
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