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Thread: Marines + HK M27 IAR = The Good Lord's Work

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahoeb View Post
    I too am very curious to read what the Marines think about it. I was still in when they first were testing them out in 29 Palms, I'm almost a little surprised that they made it to the field so fast! I'm sure the grunts are happy to be rolling a little lighter.

    Theres nothing Light about "Light" Infantry for every pound they shave off the weight, they tack 10 more to the overall kit. Basic ammo load is 210 rounds. 1200 for a SAW gunner (Usually split into 100 round "Nut sacks" and stuffed into pouches, or kept in the 200 round drum.

    How many mags will that grunt packing the IAR carry? do they cut what, 6lbs off the weight of the SAW, 12lbs by not making the gunner carry a spare barrel. add 3lbs fvor the rail system, 4lbs for all the other lickies and chewies they added to it, and all the pouches and loaded 30 round magazines, not to mention the other ghrunts packing extra mags to keep the IAR firing. 210 rounds doenst last very long. In Iraq I carried 15mags. ammo doesn't last very long, considering you need to supress and cover while a team flanks. 30 rounds out of an IAR lasts what 10 seconds? if the troop is well trained he has his kit setup and the training to do a 1 second mag change. If he's in the prone a 1 sec mag change isnt possible. (Yes its possible to do a 1 second mag change IF you practice and adjust your kit and put all your mags in the same direction. Somewhere on these forums is john a tacoma cop, and soldier in my unit he can attest to me taking troops olutside and having them adjust kits and attempt 1 sec mag changes.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Lol, way out of my lane on that guess

    I find it hard to believe the Krauts didn't take into account PMags considering there are hundred of thousands, if not millions in the system. It smacks of HK arrogance....but that might just be my annoyance with their magazines talking....

    The SF 60rd mag seems perfect for the IAR concept. Maybe a little bit of tweaking on their part will get it running, but that's just a wish upon a star right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon_fodder11b View Post
    The point of the IAR was because the military learned the first person to get shot at is the guy with the LMG. (Just like the reason the new sbiper rifle looks like an M16) The IAR in my mind is nothing more then a modified M16a1 capable of firing from open or closed bolt, with a rail kit to make it look sexy.
    Theres nothing ground breaking about it. It just makes the automatic rifleman an ammo mooch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silvanus View Post
    I agree with you that it was not a good idea to design an AR-type weapon that cannot use regular PMAGs.

    But H&K designed their own plastic 5.56 magazine (very similar to the 417 mags), so that might be the reason they didnīt make the weapon work with PMAGs... They want you to buy their proprietary product of course
    LOL, at least try to get your facts right before bashing the M27 HK 416 for no reason.

    First of all the HK 416 was designed before Pmags came to existence. It will take any stagnag magazine which the Pmag isn't. Second the the HK416 does not fire from an open bolt. And last where did you get that information about the make believe plastic propietary mag.

    I think it's great that finally the M27 is out on the field you could see the hapinness on the face of the Marine that was carrying it. Hopefully this will expand and every soldier can have his own IAR.

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    He does look kind of happy.
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    I think the IAR is a good thing.

    It would've been nice to have the magwell tweaked to accept all magazine like the M16FOW. The PMags are in the .mil supply system (IIRC) and they are in abundance throughout the services. From what I've read, not accepting PMags caught most people by surprise. I think it was over looked due to people not being familiar w/ the 416.

    There is a very good thread over on LF about the IAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon_fodder11b View Post
    The point of the IAR was because the military learned the first person to get shot at is the guy with the LMG. (Just like the reason the new sbiper rifle looks like an M16) The IAR in my mind is nothing more then a modified M16a1 capable of firing from open or closed bolt, with a rail kit to make it look sexy.
    Theres nothing ground breaking about it. It just makes the automatic rifleman an ammo mooch.
    Sorry, but no.
    I am not going to rehash three years of posting in this thread.
    Please do some research on the weapon and it's development.
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    "Looking forward to hearing what boots on the ground think" +1

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    What is the barrel lenght of the HK M27 IAR ? 16.0" ???

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    It's 16.5"

    I like the fact that it's not sporting one of those godforsaken abortion-in-VFG-form GripPods in that photo.
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    God I want to rock one of these makes me want to join the Marines
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    I see envy and jealousy in the future. Why would any Marine want an A4 or M4 when they could have a M27.

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