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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari View Post
    HK needs to fix their stupid ****ing magwell. There was no problem with the old one, why create compatibility issues?
    I hate HK.
    There was problem with old one. With STANAG dimension magazine inserted Colt magwell allowed too much dust, sand, etc to enter into upper receiver, even with dust cover closed. HK could not control magazine dimensions, so they solved problem by making tighter and longer magwell, that reduced dust penetration into receiver.

    Some time later other company designed magazine, that is not within STANAG dimensions, but is made to fill up and seal Colt magwell and prevent dust penetration. But when HK were designing 416 nobody even dreamed about P-mag.

    USMC did not specify that IAR must use non mil spec magazines like P-mag, so there was no point for HK in reducing system reliability by going back to old magwell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    They can't right now due to HK's magwell.
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    Lol, way out of my lane on that guess

    I find it hard to believe the Krauts didn't take into account PMags considering there are hundred of thousands, if not millions in the system. It smacks of HK arrogance....but that might just be my annoyance with their magazines talking....

    The SF 60rd mag seems perfect for the IAR concept. Maybe a little bit of tweaking on their part will get it running, but that's just a wish upon a star right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by obucina View Post
    we are H und K and you suck! You veel use das schwartz magazines en za teufelhuden veapon!
    Quote Originally Posted by Silvanus View Post
    I agree with you that it was not a good idea to design an AR-type weapon that cannot use regular PMAGs.

    But H&K designed their own plastic 5.56 magazine (very similar to the 417 mags), so that might be the reason they didnīt make the weapon work with PMAGs... They want you to buy their proprietary product of course
    Quote Originally Posted by masakari View Post
    HK needs to fix their stupid ****ing magwell. There was no problem with the old one, why create compatibility issues?
    I hate HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari View Post
    HK needs to fix their stupid ****ing magwell. There was no problem with the old one, why create compatibility issues?
    I hate HK.
    Ever heard of "EMags?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaasselslay View Post
    "Beati pauperes spiritu quoniam ipsorum est regnum caelorum"
    google said that means something about riches being in the kingdom of heaven and not being caught up in materialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    The M27 is well positioned to replace the M4 and A4. It's been speculated many times that the M27 is really a Trojan horse weapon system to get a back door replacement for the M16.
    This is the part that makes me sceptical about the whole IAR. If the new IAR makes a good GP rifle/carbine why couldn't the old rifle/carbine be made into a good IAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    This is the part that makes me sceptical about the whole IAR. If the new IAR makes a good GP rifle/carbine why couldn't the old rifle/carbine be made into a good IAR?
    Barrel life and heat resistance? IAR is not SAW but must stand more FA fire than old rifle/carbine is capable.

    Colt was in final stage with upgraded DI AR but HK was just better in tests.
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    I'm sceptical that the operating system, not cookoff temp, limits the ROF for a closed bolt machine gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwm3p View Post
    Yeah right, the only reason the M4 is still around is because of Colt's influence on the senate.
    Are you saying the 416 is a better rifle than the M4?

    Does anybody find it funny that the .civ MR556-A1 barrel profile is fatter than the HK IAR profile?

    We already know that the M4A1 SOCOM profile can take the automatic fire. Other dudes on this board could speak more to that than me. (I for one like Kevin Boland's story about throwing 14 magazines through an M4 full auto after a PKM shit the bed in Iraq, or something to that effect.) So... why the IAR?

    I would however, like to see the 416C adopted in small numbers.

    Also, stop bitching about the magazine well. This is akin to bitching about why the G36 won't accept SIG 551 magazines. The gun was designed around NATO magazines, use NATO magazines, you didn't hear people bitching about the SCAR not being able to accept PMAGs.

    Well.. you did, just not nearly as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    I'm sceptical that the operating system, not cookoff temp, limits the ROF for a closed bolt machine gun.
    I never mentioned operating system. USMC did not ask for specific operating system. They asked (beyond other things) for some accuracy and cookoff resistance for required ROF. In IAR procurement tests HK had better cookoff resistance than Colt (using heat sinks) or FN (bi-metal system that goes from closed bolt to open bolt when chamber gets hot), resistance that went over required ROF.

    Is this better heat management in HK effect of operating system, using unobtanium or just some spells casted at midnight in Oberndorf - it's secondary. It worked, this is what counts.

    When I mentioned barrel life, I had in mind that regular HK416 barrel went trough 15.000 rounds in 2 days and did not lost accuracy or velocity (and again at 20.000 and 25.000 rounds). This kind of durability makes barrel suitable for increased ROF needed in IAR, when there are no changing barrels. But again IAR is not LMG or MG and never will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post

    Also, stop bitching about the magazine well. This is akin to bitching about why the G36 won't accept SIG 551 magazines. The gun was designed around NATO magazines, use NATO magazines, you didn't hear people bitching about the SCAR not being able to accept PMAGs.

    Well.. you did, just not nearly as much.
    The SCAR absolutely takes PMags.

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