Accupoint TR24 1-4 questions (not found via search)

[Envuks]

Hi folks,

Long time lurker and figured I would drop a post as I cannot find the info by searching.

I'm seriously considering a trijicon accupoint 1-4, but have a few questions. My plan would be to use the larue mount and would ideally like to purchase everything from larue.

On their website, larue states that the TR24 is not BAC functional. Elsewhere, it is mentioned that the TR24 is BAC functional. Is this because Larue is selling the German style reticle version rather than the triangle style? I see posts on here where people state it works for BAC, but they seem to have the triangle reticle.

BAC functionality is important to me. Should I be looking for a different recital style other than the German? I like the green triangle style in theory, but without the ability to try them in person, I don't really know.

This would be going on a 16 inch DD with 12 inch omega rail. The riffle is my first higher end build and I have a bunch of goodies already into it. Originally I was thinking I would buy a TA31H now and a t-1 later, but the possibility of getting the best of both worlds (well almost the best) is appealing. Plus I like the idea of no batteries, and one setup rather than changing gear to be mission specific. Sometimes you never know your true need until it's facing you, then it could be too late.

Any insight about the BAC functionality by reticle would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

[Crow Hunter]

Hi folks,

Long time lurker and figured I would drop a post as I cannot find the info by searching.

I'm seriously considering a trijicon accupoint 1-4, but have a few questions. My plan would be to use the larue mount and would ideally like to purchase everything from larue.

On their website, larue states that the TR24 is not BAC functional. Elsewhere, it is mentioned that the TR24 is BAC functional. Is this because Larue is selling the German style reticle version rather than the triangle style? I see posts on here where people state it works for BAC, but they seem to have the triangle reticle.

BAC functionality is important to me. Should I be looking for a different recital style other than the German? I like the green triangle style in theory, but without the ability to try them in person, I don't really know.

This would be going on a 16 inch DD with 12 inch omega rail. The riffle is my first higher end build and I have a bunch of goodies already into it. Originally I was thinking I would buy a TA31H now and a t-1 later, but the possibility of getting the best of both worlds (well almost the best) is appealing. Plus I like the idea of no batteries, and one setup rather than changing gear to be mission specific. Sometimes you never know your true need until it's facing you, then it could be too late.

Any insight about the BAC functionality by reticle would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

You are correct. Larue normally only sells the German version, but you can call and ask. The triangle is the only one that the BAC effect works on.

The BAC really isn't needed except for a magnified optic. At 1x you shouldn't need it.

I owned a TR24 but the triangle didn't work for me. I can't aim with a triangle, I don't know why, but I can't.

My brother owns an Accupoint with the green dot. It might as well not be there. It is VERY small, to the point of being almost not noticed, even in bright light, especially compared to the triangle version.

You really will have to try it to see if you like it or not.

I didn't because at close range, I preferred the lighter weight and brightness of the RDS and I can't use a triangle for aiming worth a crap. At longer ranges you will have to take a cap off an click up, while not a big problem, I would rather have something built into the reticle as reference points to help know hold overs rather than trying to mess with taking off a cap and twisting dials.

But honestly, you will need to try it for yourself and see.

[Envuks]

Thanks for the quick reply crow. I think that I get it now. Just to confirm, it sounds like the size of the dot in the German style reticle prevents the usage of BAC. The larger triangle is easier to pick up a thus works with BAC... That said, does the German style reticle work well on 1x with both eyes open? Thoughts?

I guess the trade off to the triangle style is that it's a larger MOA (I think) which will come into play at greater distances. Although the scope doesn't have a BDC and I rarely even shoot to 300 yds (200 is the farthest my home range offers). Thus the larger MOA triangle might not be too big of an issue for me.

I'm more interested to know that it will be solid at 1x with both eyes open and will also work both eyes open at distance under magnification. Any insight here would be much appreciated.

The true use of BAC isn't that much of an issue for me as I rarely shoot moving targets at distance. Although, in concept it's a very important piece of functionality if I were to find myself in a SHTF scenario. I would rather have the ability to do so than not.

Overall, I'm pretty new to optics as I was an iron sight man prior to this point... In my consideration I have gone from T1 -> TA33G -> TA31H -> T1 + 3x magnifier -> M4s + 3x mag -> TA31H -> T1 -> TR24.

As you can see, the decision has me running in circles and the trade offs between options are driving me a bit batty.

At this point I'm basically down to the TA31H, T-1, and the TR24. The T-1 is pretty much my "I don't know what to do" option because it's a smaller investment than the others, but I don't feel like it's the right option. I'm not all that concerned about the weight of the TR24 and like the idea of how versatile it is in concept. How well it would function for me is the unknown...

I'm rambling a bit here, but any insight that you can share about the size of the TR24's reticle playing into it's BAC functionality would be much appreciated.

Thanks again,

[ucrt]

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I think everyone should have an AR with a T-1. It is hard to beat optics that weigh <6 ounces with a QD mount .

I don't see a red dot, I see a red comma but I shoot it well. Just playing at 100-yards last week with some "left over rounds", I shot 9-shots at a 100-yards in less than 30-seconds resting and had a 2-1/2" group. The T-1 just shoots good and is fast...period.

But maybe it's just me...

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[Crow Hunter]

The BAC is related more to brightness/noticablilty of the reticle.

If you are wanting something to "fight" with at close range, you don't want a reticle that you have to "look for". You want something that is bright enough that you can keep your eyes 100% on your target and superimpose the dot on the target. If the reticle is dim and you have to look for it, you won't be as effective.

One comment you made stands out to me personally.

You stated that you were an "iron sight man". This is key. I am the same, I only use magnified optics for very limited applications. (Generally sniping harmless stationary crows and muskrats )

Most of my shooting experience has been with shotguns, pistols and rifles in that order. The Aimpoint works best for me personally because that is what I am most comfortable with. I am used to seeing the same thing in both eyes. Shooting at moving targets or shooting multiple targets with magnifcation can be done, but it takes dedicated practice.

You need to define your usage 1st.

Example. My ARs are used for home defense, shooting at muskrats in the backyard, Crow Hunting in open fields occasionally and plinking/practice. I almost never go to a range and shoot. Most of my shooting is on private land and never on benches shooting for groups. Once it is sighted in, I never put it on bags again other than to check it.

What will you spend MOST of your time doing with this rifle? That is the key. Think of what you WILL use it for, not what you MIGHT use it for. Being good with it is more important that having the "correct optic".

There is no such thing as a free lunch, you will have to compromise somewhere.

[Envuks]

Good point... I should provide that background. Most (66%) of my shooting is from a bench at a range. I generally shoot 50, 100, and 200 yds. I enjoy alternating between targets at distance and testing my speed / accuracy as I alternate. Recently, I have done more "on the move" type shooting (still at the range) as they have had some nice course set ups from group usage that I can use when they are not. Generally, my "on the move" shooting is at 50 yds and if I'm feeling good I might plink a few out to 100 or event 200.

My riffle is used for this type of range use and home defense in theory (it's normally within reach).

I would like to get more into tactical courses and such, but I haven't taken that step yet.

I find when I shoot (irons) I spend a lot of time walking back and forth to look at my groups. My range is normally empty so it's not an issue, but I would very much like to be able to see the holes I'm putting in the target and see my longer range targets at all.

I'm really just looking for an optic that is versatile and can be quick (both eyes open) at <50 yds (like a red dot) while at the same time allowing me to see what I'm hitting at distance a bit better.

[Envuks]

That said, I sit on plenty of ammo for a SHTF scenario and would like to have a riffle that was well rounded for such a situation (god forbid).

[Crow Hunter]

Personally, if I were in your shoes, I would get a RDS and a spotting scope. Take a training class and learn how to practice "fighting" with your optic. (Having started with an Aimpoint, then TR24, then TA33, now back to Aimpoint.)

3 or 4x won't be enough to see your bullet holes at 200 yards and an optic capable of doing that, won't be efficient at home defense.

But the TR24 is okay for this, if you are willing to deal with the weight and can shoot with a triangle reticle and train around the reticle brightness in low light. (You will have to use it like a front sight post, it will be dark behind a flashlight)

I liked it when I had it, but it was heavy to me and most importantly of all, I couldn't get comfortable aiming with that triangle. That muskrat I tried it on was happy though. I wasn't.

[lifebreath]

I love the green triangle for anything from 5 ft to 200 yards. It's very fast for CQB and is surprisingly easy to nail a 12" plate offhand rapid fire at 100 yards. I was concerned it would be too large, but it's fine. I think part of that is that it's not a big dot, and you can play around with the triangle in terms of how you zero it and what kind of sight picture you want. I don't think the German would be very good for BAC, and the triangle gives you kind of a pumpkin on a post, which you might like being accustomed to irons.

I have a TA31-H on another gun, and while I love looking through the ACOG, the TR24 is more versatile. It's much better close up (5-20 yards or so) on the 1X setting and is just as good for me at 200 yards. What the TA31 has over the TR24 are ruggedness, weight further back, and the BDC for longer ranges. However, if you will rarely shoot beyond 200 yards, the ACOG offers no advantages in actual sighting, imo. The ACOG can be used via BAC up close, but it's not quite as fast as the TR24.

Also, I find the green to much easier to acquire quickly and I have never had difficulty with it against green foliage background.

[SkiDevil]

Another option to consider is to go ahead and purchase the RDS (Aimpoint) then buy a quality standard scope (non-illuminated/ no BAC) for punching paper.

Such as another member already stated; you could find an Aimpoint micro or standard 30mm Aimpoint (M2, M3, M4, etc.).

And then look at a decent quality scope such as a fixed 6X or 10X or higher magnification variable for target shooting out to a couple of hundred yards.

If you do opt for the the 1-4X Trijicon or any other brand the 4X is not usually enough magnification for precise shooting past 100 yards. Can it be done? Yes, but it will be difficult.

Lastly, if you look through some of the accuracy related posts in this forum you will note that in many cases when a rifle is being tested/ evaluated for accuracy it will typically be done with a high quality scope of 10X or greater magnification.

Good luck with your search
SkiDevil

P.S. If you opt for the Trijicon, keep your eyes open on the various forums because the 1-4X models are listed for sale frequently.