Accupoint TR24 1-4 questions (not found via search)

[nickdrak]

For a 0-300yd (max) gun, which is what a 16" AR platform rifle is, I feel the TR24G is an almost perfect optic for the platform. Making quick & accurate hits out to 300yds with the big green triangle is simple if you know your hold-overs out to 300yds.

Up close on 1x I find that I am as fast or faster with my TR24G than I am with my Eotech or any Aimpoint I have owned. The big green triangle is super easy to pick up for close-up work.

There are a few drawbacks which have been mentioned above which include the added weight and reticle brightness in only a few dim lighting situations (the reticle is still plenty visible & useful in these lighting situations).

Getting proper eye-relief when shooting from unconventional positions such as urban or roll-over prone can sometimes be challenging.

I have been running my TR24G with the green triangle reticle for just two years now and I couldnt be happier.

[seb5]

I've owned most of the low power variables, with the exception of the Trijicon. I've used the NightForce, SS, Burris, etc. For me, I always come back to using the TA33-HG. If you train with it regularly it gives up little at close range, say 0-15 yards. From 15-50yard it's a wash compared to the RDS, and from 50-250 it's perfect. When you combine the ruggedness with the small weight and size it's a winner. It's not the very best at any one thing but is truly a jack of all trades and IMHO very much superior to the TA-31 and TA-01 up close. I believe it's head and shoulders above an RDS with magnifier for longer ranges as well.

[Crow Hunter]

I've owned most of the low power variables, with the exception of the Trijicon. I've used the NightForce, SS, Burris, etc. For me, I always come back to using the TA33-HG. If you train with it regularly it gives up little at close range, say 0-15 yards. From 15-50yard it's a wash compared to the RDS, and from 50-250 it's perfect. When you combine the ruggedness with the small weight and size it's a winner. It's not the very best at any one thing but is truly a jack of all trades and IMHO very much superior to the TA-31 and TA-01 up close. I believe it's head and shoulders above an RDS with magnifier for longer ranges as well.

I agree completely with seb5. While I don't have any experience with the TA-31 or the TA-01 I have had a TR24, an Aimpoint 3x magnifier and a currently have a TA33 (Which is for sale now ) and of the 3, I much preferred the TA33. It just doesn't work well FOR ME compared to just a RDS by itself. I just don't do very well with magnification except for certain specific circumstances.

If someone asked me what I thought the best magnified general purpose optic available was, I would point the towards the TA33.

[Envuks]

Thanks for the info guys. It's much appreciated. While I still don't know exactly what to get quite yet, I think I do want magnification at this point. RDS will come down the road, perhaps next year.

I like the concept of a variable 1-4 (the TR24 is the standout right now), but the ACOGs are also appealing... There's something to be said for the equipment that's in use by our military in conflict...

Thanks again,

[Alaskapopo]

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I think everyone should have an AR with a T-1. It is hard to beat optics that weigh <6 ounces with a QD mount .

I don't see a red dot, I see a red comma but I shoot it well. Just playing at 100-yards last week with some "left over rounds", I shot 9-shots at a 100-yards in less than 30-seconds resting and had a 2-1/2" group. The T-1 just shoots good and is fast...period.

But maybe it's just me...

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The T1 is a fine RDS but RDS sights are very limited. They are great for CQB out to 100 yards or so. They can even be used at 200 to 300 on larger full sized targets. But they suck on more realistic targets at distance like a threat using cover or concealment. If your only worried about close range shooting the T1 is fine but for across the board use a good lower power variable like the TR24 stomps it into the ground. I have both.
Pat

[cop1211]

For sure go with the triangle. I used to own all Aimpoints, I kept 2 of the M4s models, sold/traded the other 4 and replaced them with the TR24 triangle, 2 green, 2 red, I prefer the red.

They are just as fast and accurate for ME using them in cqb style, and love that you can x4 at longer ranges with a twist of a cat tail.

[sinjinhawk]

I totally agree with most of our members that as an AR-15 affiscionado you should both have a T1 and a TR24 with green triangle. My T1 is mounted on my 14.5" LW CQB carbine and my TR24 is mounted on my 16" Recon rifle. This way Im both covered in almost all scenario. The key is to train shoot and practice with both rifle so as to become proficient.

[Alaskapopo]

Thanks for the quick reply crow. I think that I get it now. Just to confirm, it sounds like the size of the dot in the German style reticle prevents the usage of BAC. The larger triangle is easier to pick up a thus works with BAC... That said, does the German style reticle work well on 1x with both eyes open? Thoughts?

I guess the trade off to the triangle style is that it's a larger MOA (I think) which will come into play at greater distances. Although the scope doesn't have a BDC and I rarely even shoot to 300 yds (200 is the farthest my home range offers). Thus the larger MOA triangle might not be too big of an issue for me.

I'm more interested to know that it will be solid at 1x with both eyes open and will also work both eyes open at distance under magnification. Any insight here would be much appreciated.

The true use of BAC isn't that much of an issue for me as I rarely shoot moving targets at distance. Although, in concept it's a very important piece of functionality if I were to find myself in a SHTF scenario. I would rather have the ability to do so than not.

Overall, I'm pretty new to optics as I was an iron sight man prior to this point... In my consideration I have gone from T1 -> TA33G -> TA31H -> T1 + 3x magnifier -> M4s + 3x mag -> TA31H -> T1 -> TR24.

As you can see, the decision has me running in circles and the trade offs between options are driving me a bit batty.

At this point I'm basically down to the TA31H, T-1, and the TR24. The T-1 is pretty much my "I don't know what to do" option because it's a smaller investment than the others, but I don't feel like it's the right option. I'm not all that concerned about the weight of the TR24 and like the idea of how versatile it is in concept. How well it would function for me is the unknown...

I'm rambling a bit here, but any insight that you can share about the size of the TR24's reticle playing into it's BAC functionality would be much appreciated.

Thanks again,

The TR24 would be the best choice of those you mention as a do all optic. In my opinion and I have tried them all. The TA33 I had had a red Chevron reticle however. Nice sight but 3x was slower for me even with BAC up close.
Pat

[ra2bach]

the day that Trijicon installs some kind of ranging reticle underneath the triangle is the day they own this market segment...

[nickdrak]

the day that Trijicon installs some kind of ranging reticle underneath the triangle is the day they own this market segment...

I dont really think a ranging reticle is neccesary on this scope, or any 1-4x for that matter.
If triji decided to add a ranging reticle, I think a bdc underneath a green chevron would be better than the triangle if they were to add ranging to the 1-4x equation.