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Thread: ND caught on film with 1911

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    He should have shot the target still, at the very least.

    Serpa was the culprit??
    Look at the 2:00 mark of the video where he is describing the incident and showing the holster, it is a Serpa and the motion he is describing is exactly how Glocks and M&Ps ND with that design also...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    I wear a Serpa on Duty if I cant find my Safariland.
    I strongly recommend that you reconsider that decision. Although ultimately the loose nut behind the trigger is responsible for the discharge, under stress bad things tend to happen with that design more than others...

    Again, this is just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chameleox View Post

    Guy comes across as a bit of a goober, but I salute him for owning up,.
    I'd like to feel the same, but he seems a little too proud of it and digs the attention shooting himself is getting. That's how it comes across to me at least.
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    operator error

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Look at the 2:00 mark of the video where he is describing the incident and showing the holster, it is a Serpa and the motion he is describing is exactly how Glocks and M&Ps ND with that design also...
    Yeah, I was pretty sure he was using the Serpa, but had the description of the 5.11 in there as some sort of "excuse"?
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    I'm still a little perplexed about the whole "disabled safety" on the draw stroke.

    Dollars to donuts says he had safety off, cocked, round in the chamber trying to get speed at the cost of safety.

    The safety off and "rock" on to target come at about the same time when shooting from retention with the 1911 for most people, as I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraq Ninja View Post
    Haven't seen this posted yet, so here is a ND caught on film at a range.

    He was very lucky...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAx...ature=youtu.be
    Posted it last night in the long drawn out "why Serpas are bad thread" but it probably deserves a thread of its own.

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    he disabled the 1911 safety because he was practicing earlier with the 5.11 thumbdrive but he swapped to the serpa in the actual exercise. He training scarred the 5.11 thumbdrive motion with the Serpa which disabled the 1911 thumb safety. Skip the video to 1:30, he talks about it. Whole incident was a combination of several things. The 5.11 thumb-drive mechanism + 1911 thumb safety seems like a bad idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Death by Serpa holster...

    That is such a dangerous design... It's right up there in the competition with the Sig forward grip / trigger activated light combo, for being the most unsafe "tactical" product ever...

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    Just my .02

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    Some dipstick over in the AR pictures thread thinks trigger activated lights are good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen View Post
    operator error
    +1 having your finger in trigger guard before your muzzle is on target is not a good idea as evidenced by this ND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOPLOETHOS View Post
    +1 having your finger in trigger guard before your muzzle is on target is not a good idea as evidenced by this ND.
    Which speaks to the flaw in the Serpa design, under stress and speed the trigger finger, which activates the release, ends up in the trigger guard. It is a poor design, an unsafe design, pure and simple.

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