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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyboy333 View Post
    Oh i agree......I made a stupid decision by opening the door without identifying the person. I never thought that it would happen to me haha I was just being careless. You can bet your ass that i check everything now. The 2nd incident i was sleeping in my bed and they kicked the door down (literally flat to the ground)
    And that is another opening even of home invasions and burglary--kicking the door in. There are products on the market you can buy that make it harder from steel doors and frams to wrought iron security storm doors that go outside to special locks to products like this doordevil that makes it harder to kick the door in. http://www.doordevil.com/. But these are expensive and may not be an option if you rent.

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    I don't think anyone is advocating using only an AR carbine for home security. The carbine, shotgun and handgun all have their strengths & weaknesses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyboy333 View Post
    Oh i agree......I made a stupid decision by opening the door without identifying the person. I never thought that it would happen to me haha I was just being careless. You can bet your ass that i check everything now. The 2nd incident i was sleeping in my bed and they kicked the door down (literally flat to the ground)

    Doc: I completely understand your point about SWAT etc. using 5.56 etc. but they're prepared and have had time to prepare. As a citizen i would have a hard time carrying a carbine around the house with me.

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    I'm sorry to hear about your repeat home invasion problems and I want to first say I'm glad you're ok. I may be a cop but you certainly have more experience as the victim of home invasion than I do. I frequently speak to victims of home invasion, but I've never had it happen to me.

    I take your point about time necessary to prepare. That is why most LE shootings are with handguns, not long guns. The whole idea behind a handgun is the ease of carry and portability that make it accessible 100% of the time. In no way did I suggest not using a handgun, I just meant that when given the option I would always choose a rifle.

    Interestingly enough, if someone were to break into my home during the day I would likely only have a handgun as I carry one on my person and I would be relatively close the the likely entry points. If they break in at night I'm far more likely to have a rifle (with a good weapon light and optic BTW) as I keep one ready by my bed and my bedroom is not spacially close to the likely entry points.

    As suggested, I have also hardened my home against intruders. Unfortunately it is becoming a more common threat for criminals to attempt to attack LEO's at their homes off duty. I take my family's safety very seriously. My wife wouldn't let me put bars on the windows (yes, I asked) but things like alarms, high security locks, re-inforced door frames, and entry resistant window film were ok. Just some things to think about, especially in your situation.

    One last thing, can someone post a link to the Tuscon shooting referenced above?
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    The shooting referenced would be Jose Guerena. He came to the door with an AR and allegedly pointed it at LE just after they breached the front door, then was shot. There was a SWAT truck with lights running in the driveway, they ran the siren and announced before breaching. Going to the door with ANY gun at that point was a very bad idea so I don't get it being referenced here as a reason the AR is bad for HD.

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    I'm familiar with that incident. I didn't think it was the one referenced as I don't imagine the outcome would have been any different had the gun been a 30-30 or a S&W revolver. Regardless of what your thoughts are on the incident, I don't think the weapon type had anything to do with the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    I don't imagine the outcome would have been any different had the gun been a 30-30 or a S&W revolver.
    I agree but don't know of any other shooting there that involved an AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    The shooting referenced would be Jose Guerena. He came to the door with an AR and allegedly pointed it at LE just after they breached the front door, then was shot. There was a SWAT truck with lights running in the driveway, they ran the siren and announced before breaching. Going to the door with ANY gun at that point was a very bad idea so I don't get it being referenced here as a reason the AR is bad for HD.
    I was the person that referenced the Tucson shooting, and if you read my original post, I never said that an AR is bad for HD. In fact, I believe that an AR or 870 is ideal for HD, but that it may not be the best choice for every possible threat -- as in my recent experience with someone at an odd door, up my remote drive, turning out to be the Sheriff. There may be times that you want to be armed, but not visibly armed, and that is a bit harder with an AR in your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    I'm sorry to hear about your repeat home invasion problems and I want to first say I'm glad you're ok. I may be a cop but you certainly have more experience as the victim of home invasion than I do. I frequently speak to victims of home invasion, but I've never had it happen to me.

    I take your point about time necessary to prepare. That is why most LE shootings are with handguns, not long guns. The whole idea behind a handgun is the ease of carry and portability that make it accessible 100% of the time. In no way did I suggest not using a handgun, I just meant that when given the option I would always choose a rifle.

    Interestingly enough, if someone were to break into my home during the day I would likely only have a handgun as I carry one on my person and I would be relatively close the the likely entry points. If they break in at night I'm far more likely to have a rifle (with a good weapon light and optic BTW) as I keep one ready by my bed and my bedroom is not spacially close to the likely entry points.

    As suggested, I have also hardened my home against intruders. Unfortunately it is becoming a more common threat for criminals to attempt to attack LEO's at their homes off duty. I take my family's safety very seriously. My wife wouldn't let me put bars on the windows (yes, I asked) but things like alarms, high security locks, re-inforced door frames, and entry resistant window film were ok. Just some things to think about, especially in your situation.

    One last thing, can someone post a link to the Tuscon shooting referenced above?
    I appreciate you and Ed's security recommendations and I'm definately looking into it (I no longer rent). See the problem is that it happened like 6 or 7 years ago and now I live in a nice neighborhood so I have already gotten very complacent (+no kids, yet) I mean I no longer open doors without checking but I just keep procrastinating on the security upgradeds which is stupid. You guys have offered some good advice and this thread has jolted my memory so I see myself heading to Lowes this weekend.

    I was like 21 or 22 when both instances happened so I'll just chalk up my bad moves to being a "dumbass kid".

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    I went through 2 home invasions as well. Mine was slow motion though, and they were in our house for 27 minutes, pistol whipping a friend. I had two of my pistols and a shotgun behind the door. You cant say what you WILL do because you dont know. No one does.

    I had to listen to all kinds of my stupid jackass friends saying "I would have done this" ...."Dude why didnt you just grab it".

    I now carry in my home also. The really scary part though, was my girlfriend almost came over that night with her 17 month old daughter but I told her I was tired. Had she been there that night it would have ended different

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    Sorry u had to go through that man. I used to have a roomate who kept a shotgun behind the front door but anytime I would see it there I would pick it up and put it under the couch (which was much farther inside the house) and then tell/yell at him about it. Lol it was after my two experiences.

    The reason was because I lived upstairs in a neat loft (which was almost like a whole separate apartment) and we almost always were hanging out up there. Also, someone kicks the door in you can never get to it as well as there being a chance the bad guy gets it. I still know alot of "old-timers" that do this but they swear by it and have much more experience than I so i bite my lip.

    Question: Just for a real world example, is that what happened in your case? ie: they barged in so fast that you either couldn't get to your gun or would have taken a major risk of getting shot/hurt if you would have went for it?

    Also, neither of mine lasted anywhere near 27 min. but I know what you mean by slow motion bc that's how mine was too. The "fast" part I'm referring to is at the very first instant your being invaded and before my adrenaline was pumping. After that, the assault did seem like it was in slow motion. Both of mine were definately over in less than a minuet.
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