whatever happened to the shotgun or the pistol?
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whatever happened to the shotgun or the pistol?
The video is poorly done if you wish to assess terminal ballistics, as the testing FAILED to capture the projectiles in an adequate tissue simulant after they first penetrated through the intermediate barriers--without doing that, there is NO way to determine what kind of damage potential the projectiles retained.
On the M16 part, I would assume standard M855 since we don't shoot anything else through M16s... generally. The video doesn't say, so that's just an assumption.
This is an old debate. I think it is impossible to know what will happen on the other side of a wall. There is entirely too many variables. Everything from 2x4 to wire to conduit could be in that wall. This inch may have little effect on the projectile and the next inch may stop a round cold.
Terminal velocity after penetration is a moot point when we are talking about people's family on the other side. No one wants ANY projectile to penetrate in that case, but that is the choice one has to make when presented that situation. Just be safe and keep in mind whats behind your back stop... there are no guarantees. That goes for carbines, pistols, or shottys.
When the job calls for penetrating a wall to stop a target, shoot until you have good reason to believe the target is down. The first round might not penetrate, but you will likely get through there eventually.
Last edited by Hispeedal2; 07-07-11 at 19:34.
Yeah, I found this interesting to say the least but there are too many variables. I still would like to know what the most probable round what used in the .308. Copper/lead FMJ or steel penetrator? The video gives the impression that a few well armed guys hosing down a building with the right ammo could turn the structure into a pile of rubble if they kept dumping mags/belts into it. And with a .50bmg +/- 40mm launcher it could happen...![]()
Last edited by kh86; 07-11-11 at 21:24.
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If the gun goes dry I use my knife. If the knife breaks off I use my teeth. I have only one rule - Start one job and see it through - The universe will have to offer someone else the leftovers. Multi tasking doesn't work in business or in gunfighting.
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my only argument against an AR for a home defense weapon (other than not owning one at the moment) is that i feel for me, at close ranges and around barriers i'm more proficient with a pistol. It's just a much easier weapon to use indoors, and i think something you'd be more likely to grab when you just hear a noise, as it's handier. ballistically the AR is obviously a much better platform.
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