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Thread: Reference "5.56 is bad for home defense 'cause' thread?

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    whatever happened to the shotgun or the pistol?

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    The video is poorly done if you wish to assess terminal ballistics, as the testing FAILED to capture the projectiles in an adequate tissue simulant after they first penetrated through the intermediate barriers--without doing that, there is NO way to determine what kind of damage potential the projectiles retained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh86 View Post
    Any idea what types of ammo are being used in this video?
    On the M16 part, I would assume standard M855 since we don't shoot anything else through M16s... generally. The video doesn't say, so that's just an assumption.

    This is an old debate. I think it is impossible to know what will happen on the other side of a wall. There is entirely too many variables. Everything from 2x4 to wire to conduit could be in that wall. This inch may have little effect on the projectile and the next inch may stop a round cold.

    Terminal velocity after penetration is a moot point when we are talking about people's family on the other side. No one wants ANY projectile to penetrate in that case, but that is the choice one has to make when presented that situation. Just be safe and keep in mind whats behind your back stop... there are no guarantees. That goes for carbines, pistols, or shottys.

    When the job calls for penetrating a wall to stop a target, shoot until you have good reason to believe the target is down. The first round might not penetrate, but you will likely get through there eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hispeedal2 View Post
    This is an old debate. I think it is impossible to know what will happen on the other side of a wall. There is entirely too many variables. Everything from 2x4 to wire to conduit could be in that wall. This inch may have little effect on the projectile and the next inch may stop a round cold.


    When the job calls for penetrating a wall to stop a target, shoot until you have good reason to believe the target is down. The first round might not penetrate, but you will likely get through there eventually.
    Yeah, I found this interesting to say the least but there are too many variables. I still would like to know what the most probable round what used in the .308. Copper/lead FMJ or steel penetrator? The video gives the impression that a few well armed guys hosing down a building with the right ammo could turn the structure into a pile of rubble if they kept dumping mags/belts into it. And with a .50bmg +/- 40mm launcher it could happen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kh86 View Post
    I can't remember which show it was on (Personal Defense, Guns and Ammo, etc.) but they shot .223/5.56 @ a piece of dry wall @ like 5 yrds. It fragmented through the first wall into 3-4 pieces and I think 1 or 2 of those might have made it through the second piece of dry wall that was placed like 5 yrds away from the first. I'm pretty sure they weren't using a bonded softpoint.
    Rob Pincus shooting? I saw that in my CCW course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kh86 View Post
    whatever happened to the shotgun or the pistol?
    Nothing. The AR (can) give you better capability than either of these two weapons.

    It does come down to personal preference, but if you are not comfortable using an AR for HD purposes, you might want to re-think this position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Nothing. The AR (can) give you better capability than either of these two weapons.

    It does come down to personal preference, but if you are not comfortable using an AR for HD purposes, you might want to re-think this position.


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    I was interested in there performance against the brick and cinder block...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dookie1481 View Post
    Rob Pincus shooting? I saw that in my CCW course.
    No idea. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kh86 View Post
    I was interested in there performance against the brick and cinder block...
    Minimal is the answer.

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    my only argument against an AR for a home defense weapon (other than not owning one at the moment) is that i feel for me, at close ranges and around barriers i'm more proficient with a pistol. It's just a much easier weapon to use indoors, and i think something you'd be more likely to grab when you just hear a noise, as it's handier. ballistically the AR is obviously a much better platform.

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