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    Quote Originally Posted by skyugo View Post
    my only argument against an AR for a home defense weapon (other than not owning one at the moment) is that i feel for me, at close ranges and around barriers i'm more proficient with a pistol. It's just a much easier weapon to use indoors, and i think something you'd be more likely to grab when you just hear a noise, as it's handier. ballistically the AR is obviously a much better platform.
    How is your accuracy? You should not look past how easy the carbine is to shoot at under 10 yards. At 10 yards, with a pistol, throwing a shot is very easy to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    How is your accuracy? You should not look past how easy the carbine is to shoot at under 10 yards. At 10 yards, with a pistol, throwing a shot is very easy to do.
    I agree. I spent some time training in a live fire shoot house with my AR and I was surprised how easy it was to maneuver and make accurate quick shots at "inside a home" distances. You may get slightly better maneuverability with a pistol, but I agree that it's easier to throw a shot with a pistol. With a little practice, an AR can be very maneuverable and gives you more preferable ballistic performance against a threat IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpd223 View Post
    Minimal is the answer.
    Interesting enough even though we don't have all the details on the construction. I just remembered that the distance was like, what, 15 meters? Oh, and cookoff. Can't forget that. Kind of eliminates the whole reducing the structure to rubble w/ multiple shooters using small arms. In a quick manner that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by skyugo View Post
    my only argument against an AR for a home defense weapon (other than not owning one at the moment) is that i feel for me, at close ranges and around barriers i'm more proficient with a pistol. It's just a much easier weapon to use indoors, and i think something you'd be more likely to grab when you just hear a noise, as it's handier. ballistically the AR is obviously a much better platform.
    To each their own. Speed/power is fine but accuracy is final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    How is your accuracy? You should not look past how easy the carbine is to shoot at under 10 yards. At 10 yards, with a pistol, throwing a shot is very easy to do.
    10 yards is probably on the tail end of what could be considered justifiable defense. But from a low ready with a pistol i can ding an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 10 yards inside of a second reliably. Inside of 1 yard it would seem the carbine would be a liability.

    I'd certainly like a carbine and some time and training with one, but given that i have a pistol on me most of the time and a limited training budget, the time and effort goes into pistol shooting.

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    In the hands of someone who knows how to use ones, carbines are anything but a liability at close near contact distances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyugo View Post
    10 yards is probably on the tail end of what could be considered justifiable defense.

    10 yards? Not sure I understand.

    An armed intruder is dangerous much further than 10 yards away.

    Also, I don't know of any castle doctrine states that sets a range limit on what distance you can shoot an intruder in your house.

    Now, in many homes you may not have more than 10 yards of distance from one point to another, but that is a different matter entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    Now, in many homes you may not have more than 10 yards of distance from one point to another, but that is a different matter entirely.
    That was me lifting a random number from someone else.

    Point is inside my house there could be shots long enough to outright miss a body. I do not know what my brain is going to do to me if I have to do something, but I know it will have a harder time ****ing me with a carbine.

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    Call me old school, but I also see a carbine as a far superior impact/striking weapon to a pistol. Especially since all my serious pistols are plastic framed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyugo View Post
    10 yards is probably on the tail end of what could be considered justifiable defense.
    Incorrect. A justified shoot is a justified shoot. Couple that with the fact that most states have some form of a castle doctrine you the distance really does not matter.


    But from a low ready with a pistol i can ding an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 10 yards inside of a second reliably. Inside of 1 yard it would seem the carbine would be a liability.
    I have seen good "square range" shooters miss a full size human target in a shoot house from 6 feet away. How? They were surprised and jerk the hell out of the trigger.
    As I have said many times on this forum, I am no longer impressed with people’s ability on the square range. Show me how well you move and shoot in a kill house.



    I'd certainly like a carbine and some time and training with one, but given that i have a pistol on me most of the time and a limited training budget, the time and effort goes into pistol shooting.
    A pistol is just fine, but if you have the time or ability, always switch to a long gun.

    Remember that unless you have had room clearing training with your pistol, then you are most likely even to worse off with it than you would be with a carbine. Why? Because it is much easier to throw a round a close distances.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    Call me old school, but I also see a carbine as a far superior impact/striking weapon to a pistol. Especially since all my serious pistols are plastic framed.
    There is not only that, but the retention aspects are much improved as well. Granted, there are more opportunities for them to grab it as well, but their hands on the gun should not impact function nearly as much as with a handgun.

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