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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelin View Post
    because I was the xo of course! if you don't think for 1 second I wouldn't pull rank in iraq to get a good suppressor you're out of your mind ... it was really my first exposure to silencers.
    Dude, no offense, but you just killed whatever ****ing credibility/respect you had. ****ing weak.

    ETA: Snackgunner, no - that is not what all officers do. I was fortunate with my last two PLs. There are good ones out there.....
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    Here's my problem. You make claim and when pressed you then come up with some old school shit and then claim that AAC is the only approved suppressor.

    Before AAC and Surefire Knight's Armament was supplying suppressors to the military. There was one other company who supplied them to other units, but the name escapes me.

    Then there is the recent press release the states Surefire has been awarded a military contract.

    If you have used a Surefire can and think it's shit, that's one thing. But, to bash them when you have no experience with one and then you back it up with some stuff from Silencertalk, that's hardly impartial.

    I don't own a Surefire suppressor and I may never get one. I do own an AAC and I am very happy with it, all things considered. But, I am not going to just drink the Kool-Aid.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Dude, no offense, but you just killed whatever ****ing credibility/respect you had. ****ing weak.

    ETA: Snackgunner, no - that is not what all officers do. I was fortunate with my last two PLs. There are good ones out there.....
    Wearing an asshat does not look good on you. And as far as my credibility/respect - you obviously have no idea what that is.

    And Iraqgunz I understand your point of view. I have researched all of the suppressors pretty indepth before purchasing and I vote with my wallet. Some suppliers have better offerings than others and it is my own personal experiences that I rely on in determining what is of value or not - I am not bashing Surefire as they are far and away better than many cans out there on the market. But whether you call it koolaid or not AAC still makes the best cans in my eyes and I will probably buy the SDN-6 for my 8"... again based on personal experiences going to silencer shoots and being involved in the NFA community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelin View Post
    Wearing an asshat does not look good on you. And as far as my credibility/respect - you obviously have no idea what that is.
    You just told us what it is.....it's an XO that will take much needed equipment away from the line guys just so he can look cool.

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    Here is the truth. Gemtech, SF, AAC and KAC all have .Mil contracts.

    I have to laugh when people talk about one can being quieter than another. Most cans are all within a few DB's of one another. The human ear cannot tell the difference so why pay that much attention to this spec??

    So what is the most important feature in a can? For many it is cost. For me, it is point of shift (or lack there of). SF typically has the LEAST POI shift of any can on the market.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post

    ETA: Snackgunner, no - that is not what all officers do. I was fortunate with my last two PLs. There are good ones out there.....
    I know, I should have said most. I only wish the batallion I was in didnt have officers that pulled the same kind of crap as Javelin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I was specifically involved with the acquisition of our KAC suppressors in Iraq, and after RIP/TOA we returned with all of them.

    I'm curious as to why you left them there, and why an XO had one. We never had a suppressor issued to any officer.
    I honestly do not know the extent of why we did not get to keep them other than we had orders to turn them in while in country - hell we did not even come back with a lot of our equipment. I would imagine that it had to do with some fielding/testing whereas the ESappi turn-in was due to limited availability of units returning to combat. The rest of the turn-in I am not really going to get into details as it is/was probably considered OPSEC. All I know is that they were all tracked by SN# by some pogue unit on LSA and the silencers were all turned in while in country.

    I am not sure what you think an Infantry Officer is/are supposed to do but/have why wouldn't I have a suppressor? I had lots of nice toys - I was a mission oriented fighter and am a hands on gear head and have always been (always will be too). That will never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snackgunner View Post
    I know, I should have said most. I only wish the batallion I was in didnt have officers that pulled the same kind of crap as Javelin.
    I understand that sarcasm does not come across well on an internet forum... my comment was half tongue-in-cheek about pulling rank.... But it is getting thick in here. Maybe we need to break out a box of tissues and have an intervention. I had a Silencer on my second tour in 2005 - big ****ing deal on the grand scale of things so did most everyone else that was involved in combat operations. Cry more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Here is the truth. Gemtech, SF, AAC and KAC all have .Mil contracts.

    I have to laugh when people talk about one can being quieter than another. Most cans are all within a few DB's of one another. The human ear cannot tell the difference so why pay that much attention to this spec??

    So what is the most important feature in a can? For many it is cost. For me, it is point of shift (or lack there of). SF typically has the LEAST POI shift of any can on the market.



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    Very well said, however different suppressors while not so much quieter than each other, have different sounds and I think that is what people refer to when claiming one is "quieter" than the other.

    Lack of POI shift is also right at the top of my list, along with now versatility w/ the development of the SDN-6. Being able to run the same suppressor on numerous different ARs in different calibers is a huge luxury in my book, and prob. is more important to me now than lack of POI shift.

    While I agree that SF cans have a rep. for having the least amt. of shift, I'm pretty sure that the OPS cans come close if not equaling the SF cans in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelin View Post
    It is getting thick in here. Maybe we need to break out a box of tissues and have an intervention. I had a Silencer big ****ing deal. Cry more.
    No, you took a suppressor away, that other guys - the line guys- needed much more than an XO. No one gives a **** that you had one - it's that you took it away from someone who could've really used it. XO's aren't about shooting and maneuvering troops. They're about beans and bullets and getting the right equipment to the right guys.

    ETA: whatever guy, keep editing your posts and trying to recover from what you said. I'm out of this thread drift.
    Last edited by scoutfsu99; 10-24-11 at 19:38.

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