1-4 vs Red Dot? What am I missing?

[Crow Hunter]

Putting the responses from this and other threads together it sounds like most people would be served by purchasing both an RDS and a 1-4, and with training and practice decide what works for them.

I'm thinking of doing this exact thing.

YEP!

Might even throw in a ACOG for good measure.

That is exactly what I did. Started with 1x4 and finished with a RDS with a little ACOG in the middle.

Of course, YMMV.

[Doc Safari]

Just to muddy the waters I noticed some of the Trijicon TR24 variable scopes have a reticle that looks rather like a hybrid of a variable and red dot reticle:

http://swfa.com/Trijicon-AccuPoint-R...opes-C207.aspx

Accepting the fact that color of triangle may just be a personal preference, could this setup be the best of both worlds, or is that an optical illusion (pun intended )?

[bp7178]

IMHO, the TR24 is one of the best values going for low powered optics. Very high quality for what you are paying. They were a better value before Trijicon increased the price on them...but hey.

I got all wrapped up in the green reticle thing, everything I was reading at the time was how amazing anything green was. There was something that was taken from a tech doc about night vision devices years ago which said your eyes can detect more shades of green than any other color. Having used a TR24G, I don't think this applies to reticles on rifle scopes, especially in low light.

At night things tend to look like a shade of blue when your eyes adjust to the ambient light. Under streetlights, things tend to be cast in an amber light. If I were to get another TR24, or Trijicon optic, it would have a red reticle.

[Doc Safari]

If I were to get another TR24, or Trijicon optic, it would have a red reticle.

Just quickly examing a couple of ACOGS first hand, I almost instantly saw that I liked red better than amber.

[Failure2Stop]

Just to muddy the waters I noticed some of the Trijicon TR24 variable scopes have a reticle that looks rather like a hybrid of a variable and red dot reticle:

I know a few guys that use them and hold them in high regard.
I am not so much of a fan.
I find that the triangle and post obscures too much of the target at ranges that require hold-over.
I would call it good out to 200 meters or so.

[Belloc]

Edit.

[rockonman]

Bringing this one back from the dead because of the availability of an RDS and a 1-4 which cost exactly the same and both of which get good reviews. The Aimpoint PRO and the Burris MTAC 1-4. Let me preface this by saying I've not shot either one, and won't have the opportunity to, as I don't have access to them. My buddy Markwell just did an article on 1-4's and really liked the Burris and the PRO is pretty much bomb proof. Thoughts guys?

[Alaskapopo]

Bringing this one back from the dead because of the availability of an RDS and a 1-4 which cost exactly the same and both of which get good reviews. The Aimpoint PRO and the Burris MTAC 1-4. Let me preface this by saying I've not shot either one, and won't have the opportunity to, as I don't have access to them. My buddy Markwell just did an article on 1-4's and really liked the Burris and the PRO is pretty much bomb proof. Thoughts guys?

Really depends on your mission. If you just want a home defense optic and you don't plan on shooting past 100 yards the Pro is great. But if you want a general purpose carbine and he ability to use your weapons potential to reach out there or ID threats then 1-4 is the way to go. Personally I don't run any rifles with just a dot anymore. That is more of a SBR or subgun set up.
Pat

[gobo57]

so would it be optimal to run a micro on a 45 and 1/4 on top? after or add a the $$ which would'nt be too unaccomodating as far as space tied up for good support of the weapon at hand per say? i see alot of right hand shooters that have left hand over the rail, but not too much out there bring or slim down that hand position without being over extended furniture. imo, feel more secure to make a shot with great accuracy of over a 100y without the use of rds. buis can still be in its place? that woul be tripple? i understand heat build up along the barrel. i would like to afford a set up like this.

[Alaskapopo]

so would it be optimal to run a micro on a 45 and 1/4 on top? after or add a the $$ which would'nt be too unaccomodating as far as space tied up for good support of the weapon at hand per say? i see alot of right hand shooters that have left hand over the rail, but not too much out there bring or slim down that hand position without being over extended furniture. imo, feel more secure to make a shot with great accuracy of over a 100y without the use of rds. buis can still be in its place? that woul be tripple? i understand heat build up along the barrel. i would like to afford a set up like this.

I prefer Larues mount which is in a 30 degree offset. A 45 degree is fien too. But putting any small red dot on top of a scope sucks in my opinion. Your cheak weld is crap as in it does not exist. Its not nearly as intuitive. With an off set mount you simply roll the rifle slightly to use the other optic. With an optic mounted on top of a scope you have to move your head up and down and the bore off set is huge as well.
I used to run a BUIS with the scope and red dot but I found it was a waste. The chance of you losing both optics is less than small.
Pat