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Thread: Will FSB's stop being Standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by BH321 View Post
    I see, I misunderstood what you meant by new M4s. While I feel that you are probably right about switching to folding BUISs, I can not say I find this to be a good thing as I still think two fixed sights and a lower 1/3 riser may be the best compromise. In any case what the military chooses will in many ways shape the civilian world for years to come so here is hoping they choose well.
    If you are using a RDS, then I won't argue against the FSB (although I still prefer flip ups in this role as well). However if you are running an ACOG or variable scope, then fixed rear is impossible, and a FSB is unnecessary. Some argue that the FSB "fades out" with a magnified optic, and I agree that it does, but a slight shadow is still there. If the rifle or carbine is destined from the beginning to run magnification, then why bother with the FSB? Just run a folding front sight and you have an uncluttered sight picture from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedp View Post
    Usually rifles in big game calibers or used for big game still come with iron sights, although the rear rights are usually fold-down.
    I think you just answered your own question. Rifles that are intended for hunting the most dangerous game are likely to continue to come equipped with iron sights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I think you just answered your own question. Rifles that are intended for hunting the most dangerous game are likely to continue to come equipped with iron sights.
    Yes. As far as I know, Humans are the most dangerous game on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedp View Post
    I don't like FSBs. I think that with most AR type rifle's having optics added later on FSB's are not a necessity and that fold-down sights are the way to go. For those who like a a co-witness, the fold-down sights fit the bill and are also BUIS.



    When scopes started becoming popular and mainstream on bolt action rifles it still took quite a long time for riflemakers to stop making iron sights standard, now you can barely find a rifle with iron sights standard. (Usually rifles in big game calibers or used for big game still come with iron sights, although the rear rights are usually fold-down.)





    Who thinks that over time FSB's will no longer be standard and that fold-down sights will become the new standard?





    I'm not saying that FSB's will go away, simply that they will become an option while fold-down sights become the standard.



    On that note I don't think the US military will ever get away from iron sights and that could effect the big picture for manufactures who cater to the military.
    I myself prefer fixed sights...my AR came with a railed gas block though. I am simple folk...I do not want to add more moving parts than what is necessary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate56 View Post
    If you are using a RDS, then I won't argue against the FSB (although I still prefer flip ups in this role as well). However if you are running an ACOG or variable scope, then fixed rear is impossible, and a FSB is unnecessary. Some argue that the FSB "fades out" with a magnified optic, and I agree that it does, but a slight shadow is still there. If the rifle or carbine is destined from the beginning to run magnification, then why bother with the FSB? Just run a folding front sight and you have an uncluttered sight picture from the start.
    I'll agree with you there, and you seem to be proven right as both the Mk 12 SPR, the Recce Rifle, and the Mk 11 have all forgone fixed sights. Though, it seems that the Army is interested in offset sights that will allow the user to cant the weapon in order to access the sights rather than having to remove the primary magnified optic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate56 View Post
    If you are using a RDS, then I won't argue against the FSB (although I still prefer flip ups in this role as well). However if you are running an ACOG or variable scope, then fixed rear is impossible, and a FSB is unnecessary. Some argue that the FSB "fades out" with a magnified optic, and I agree that it does, but a slight shadow is still there. If the rifle or carbine is destined from the beginning to run magnification, then why bother with the FSB? Just run a folding front sight and you have an uncluttered sight picture from the start.
    If I were in a position where I had to rapidly remove a magnified optic, and deploy a folding rear sight, all under a time crunch, I think I'd be awfully happy not to have to deploy a front sight too.

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    The trend towards folding BUIS (front and back) is self evident on the new weapons we are seeing.

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    There's logic behind switching to just BUIS.
    The army isn't always known for logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSGlock34 View Post
    Let's see how many of the carbines submitted for the upcoming Army trials have a fixed FSB...

    Many of the leading contenders from top tier manufacturers - HK416, KAC SR-16, Colt SP901, Remington ACR, FN SCAR - do not.
    LMT MRP and MWS do not either. It's worth noting that there seems to be a strong interest in the capability to change barrels to suit the mission at hand. Having a FSB conflicts with that particular requirement.

    The AR platform has endured for over 50 years and I wouldn't expect the FSB to be dropped from production any time soon. However, it's tough to ignore the trend towards optics over irons and multi-purpose rifles over one size fits all rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW1069 View Post
    LMT MRP and MWS do not either. It's worth noting that there seems to be a strong interest in the capability to change barrels to suit the mission at hand. Having a FSB conflicts with that particular requirement.

    The AR platform has endured for over 50 years and I wouldn't expect the FSB to be dropped from production any time soon. However, it's tough to ignore the trend towards optics over irons and multi-purpose rifles over one size fits all rifles.
    which kind of stinks..everyone should have iron sight fundementals down

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